Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

2012-12-02 Thread Barry Shein
I think one error being made here is discussing the culpability of law enforcement per se. That's like blaming the UPS delivery person because something you bought from Amazon was misleading. Or praising him/her because it was great. One way of asserting authority over any property is making

Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

2012-12-01 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Nov 30, 2012, at 20:25 , Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Not a lawyer. than stfu with the legal crap It amazes me how people feel free to opine on things like networking without a certification, but if you don't have a law degree, suddenly they believe you are incapable of understanding

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

2012-12-01 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: It amazes me how people feel free to opine on things... Actually, what really bugs/amazes me about that thread is that the person whom this thread was originally about IS NOT EVEN FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

2012-12-01 Thread George Herbert
On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: It amazes me how people feel free to opine on things... Actually, what really bugs/amazes me about that thread is that the person whom this

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

2012-12-01 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 12/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: On Nov 30, 2012, at 20:25 , Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: As for the legal crap, most of what is posted is not on-topic here. There are laws legal implications which are operational, though. And even though I am not a lawyer, I need

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

2012-12-01 Thread Dave Crocker
On 12/1/2012 11:01 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote: Anyone, including people off the street, can have opinions about the Law, and opinions about networks. Would you be willing to rely some stranger off the street, with no qualifications, or positive background whatsoever, to start recommending a