Michael Sokolov wrote:
Another possible way to solve the middle mile issue would again be to
use the copper plant that's already in the ground. Unlike fiber, the
copper plant is *ubiquitous*: I don't know of any place in the 1st or
2nd worlds that doesn't have copper pairs going to it. Also
Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com wrote:
The biggest problem is middle mile. That is where the money needs to go.
You need something to back haul to the interwebz. There is a lot of
fiber in the ground already,
Another possible way to solve the middle mile issue would again be to
use
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Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On 03/01/2010 05:34 PM, Akyol, Bora A wrote:
Michael
point-to-point and ptmp 802.11phy derived tdm gear has been
outperforming cellular access layers on the throughput and cost
equations for a number of years.
Yep. There
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Michael Sokolov
msoko...@ivan.harhan.org wrote:
That got me thinking: ISDN/IDSL and T1 can be extended infinitely far
into the boondocks because those signal formats support repeaters. What
I'm wondering is how can we do the same thing with SDSL - and I mean
How do you think we feel in Alaska. Until mid last year, most cellular
BTS were backhauled via DS1. Only Within the last 12 months have we
(insert obligatory I work for a GSM and CDMA cellular provider serving
most of Alaska) even migrated from Local copper to fiber or air
interfaces (ds1/ds3
Michael
I think for the people in the situation you are describing, the best bet would
be
one of the wireless technologies. Someone on the thread mentioned LTE (which
should
be coming out in a couple years time), and to that we can add WiMAX and
even the 3G/3.5G HSPDA type wireless. The prices
On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Akyol, Bora A wrote:
Michael
I think for the people in the situation you are describing, the best bet
would be
one of the wireless technologies. Someone on the thread mentioned LTE (which
should
be coming out in a couple years time), and to that we can add
Hmm... unless I'm completely off, 1,080. About enough for a DS3. Maybe half of a
DS3.. as long as it overreaches their T1 or HDSL capacity. It seems that while
DS3 is a copper product, it's typically delivered to the site broken off of a
fiber node. Wouldn't want to see the installation bill of
On 03/01/2010 05:34 PM, Akyol, Bora A wrote:
Michael
I think for the people in the situation you are describing, the best bet
would be
one of the wireless technologies. Someone on the thread mentioned LTE (which
should
be coming out in a couple years time), and to that we can add WiMAX
On 02/26/2010 03:10 PM, Paul Bosworth wrote:
I think a lot of people often forget that ISPs are actually
businesses trying to turn a profit.
Bearing in mind that the facilities that exist in much of the rural
united states are actually there because we collectively payed for them
rather than
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 19:20 -0500, Daniel Senie wrote:
Hopefully someone will bother to cover the rural areas with cell
service eventually.
I'm finding a fair number (about 40%+) of the tech-savvy
must-have-for-business-emails users here in very rural UK out of reach
of RA-ADSL) are
Daniel Senie d...@senie.com wrote:
Better than western Massachusetts, where there's just no connectivity at =
all. Even dialup fails to function over crappy lines.
Hmm. Although I've never been to Western MA and hence have no idea what
the telecom situation is like over there, I'm certainly
Get dry loops from the ILEC and place repeaters at strategic points?
On 2/26/10, Michael Sokolov msoko...@ivan.harhan.org wrote:
Daniel Senie d...@senie.com wrote:
Better than western Massachusetts, where there's just no connectivity at =
all. Even dialup fails to function over crappy lines.
The Massachusetts Broadband Institute is currently working a middle mile
solution to help with some of the issues in western ma. Thing do sound
promising.
On 2/26/10 4:34 PM, Michael Sokolov wrote:
Daniel Senied...@senie.com wrote:
Better than western Massachusetts, where there's just
From what I've read, they may well get higher bandwidth out to the town centers
on fiber. There has been little discussion of how to distribute from there. I
suppose Verizon, the only company offering anything out there, will take
advantage and use the fiber to improve speeds in the centers of
I am in planning states for a new metro ethernet service here in the
springfield area. that will slowly extend to the town as I can get there.
On 2/26/10 4:45 PM, Daniel Senie wrote:
From what I've read, they may well get higher bandwidth out to the town
centers on fiber. There has been
Brandon Galbraith brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote:
Get dry loops from the ILEC and place repeaters at strategic points?
I guess I need a little more education on how the process of ordering
dry pairs from an ILEC works. I thought it works like this:
1. You have to be colocated in the CO to
I had good luck getting my dad some form of broadband access in rural
Oregon using a 3g router (Cradlepoint), a Wilson Electronics signal amp
(model 811211), and an outdoor mount high gain antenna. It's not great,
but considering the alternatives (33.6k dialup for $60/mo or satellite
broadband
As we all know it's expensive building out any landline network. Rural areas
just get over looked.
Check out this tech coming out of Motorola and to a Verizon/ATT tower near you
soon.
100 Mbps possible off cellular signals. Looks like they will throttle it to 20
Mbps and less though.
I think a lot of people often forget that ISPs are actually businesses
trying to turn a profit. At my last job we built out a fiber to the home
ILEC in relatively rural Louisiana. This means that we had quite a number of
customers that didn't meet the density requirements for deployment. Using
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Paul Bosworth pboswo...@gmail.com wrote:
I think a lot of people often forget that ISPs are actually businesses
trying to turn a profit.
There are alternatives though, if the need exists and folks are able:
http://www.rric.net/
--
Brandon Galbraith
Mobile:
Brandon Galbraith brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.rric.net/
I'm very familiar with those folks of course, they've been an inspiration
to me for a long time.
However, my needs are different. RRIC's model basically involves a
specific community with a well-defined boundary: bring
Hopefully someone will bother to cover the rural areas with cell service
eventually.
Much of western Massachusetts (by which I mean the Berkshires, more than I mean
the Pioneer Valley) is not covered by cell service. Where there is cell
service, most cell sites have only minimal data speeds.
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:10 -0500, Paul Bosworth wrote:
I think a lot of people often forget that ISPs are actually businesses
trying to turn a profit.
That sums it up pretty well. In a previous life I operated an ISP in a
small town. When I entered the arena there was one other competitor,
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