Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-09 Thread Matthew Newton
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 11:38:54AM -0400, David Swafford wrote: Overall though the day seems to be going well, I've sparked a lot of enthusiasm at work by bragging this event (I even made a shirt to promote it :-), and I'd love to see this become a regular occurrence. In fact, daily would be

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 8 jun 2011, at 7:42, Christopher Palmer wrote: I'm not an ISP - but I absolutely expect that IPv6 roll-outs have long time-horizons and are fairly complex. So I hope folks are looking at IPv6 NOW, and not simply waiting for Google/Bing/Yahoo/Interwebz to enable permanent content access

www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Andrew Koch
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 00:59, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.com wrote: BTW, how are you guys dealing with path MTU discovery for IPv6? I've seen a few sites that have problems with this, such as www.nist.gov, Speaking of www.nist.gov, I am getting the front page to load, but all links

Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 8 jun 2011, at 8:15, Andrew Koch wrote: Speaking of www.nist.gov, I am getting the front page to load, but all links are returning a 404 Not Found when browsing via v6 Right. They seem to have solved their PMTUD issues, though.

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: Owen, On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: LSN is required when access providers come across the following two combined constraints: 1. No more IPv4 addresses to give to customers. 2.

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Owen DeLong
: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:48 PM To: Lorenzo Colitti Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote

Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread David Swafford
Interesting, I'm having that same issue w/ www.nist.gov this morning. Front page loads fine, but all links return a 404. Here's my tracert if it helps: tracert www.nist.gov Tracing route to nist.gov [2610:20:6060:aa::a66b] over a maximum of 30 hops: 11 ms1 ms1 ms

RE: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Frank Bulk
-Original Message- From: Jack Bates [mailto:jba...@brightok.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:28 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day On 6/7/2011 9:01 PM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Owen DeLongo...@delong.com wrote

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: Owen, On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: LSN is required when access providers come across the following two combined constraints:      

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: Owen, On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: LSN is required when

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Martin Millnert
Cameron, On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: Owen, On Tue, Jun

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: Owen, On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: LSN is required when access providers come

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: Owen, On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Owen DeLong

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: Owen, On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Owen

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Martin Millnert wrote:

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Jack Bates
On 6/8/2011 12:42 AM, Christopher Palmer wrote: I'm not an ISP - but I absolutely expect that IPv6 roll-outs have long time-horizons and are fairly complex. So I hope folks are looking at IPv6 NOW, and not simply waiting for Google/Bing/Yahoo/Interwebz to enable permanent content access and

Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:33 AM, David Swafford da...@davidswafford.com wrote: Interesting, I'm having that same issue w/ www.nist.gov this morning.  Front page loads fine, but all links return a 404.   Here's my tracert if it helps: tracert www.nist.gov Tracing route to nist.gov

Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Neil Long
On 8 Jun 2011, at 07:15, Andrew Koch wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 00:59, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.com wrote: BTW, how are you guys dealing with path MTU discovery for IPv6? I've seen a few sites that have problems with this, such as www.nist.gov , Speaking of www.nist.gov,

RE: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread STARNES, CURTIS
, June 08, 2011 10:19 AM To: David Swafford Cc: nanog@nanog.org; do-webmas...@nist.gov Subject: Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:33 AM, David Swafford da...@davidswafford.com wrote: Interesting, I'm having that same issue w

Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Jay Ford
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Neil Long wrote: Top of the page it says (now, may have been added) Note: This top level web page has been setup to test IPv6 capabilities and to participate in World IPv6 Day on June 8, 2011. This IPv6 web page will be disabled after the end of World IPv6 Day. Links on

RE: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Rob V
; David Swafford Cc: nanog@nanog.org; do-webmas...@nist.gov Subject: RE: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day Typical long trip via a sixxs.net tunnel. Unlike Hurricane Electric (tunnelbroker.net), Sixxs has no US peering that I know of so everything has to hit

Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread David Swafford
in World IPv6 day On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:33 AM, David Swafford da...@davidswafford.com wrote: Interesting, I'm having that same issue w/ www.nist.gov this morning.  Front page loads fine, but all links return a 404.   Here's my tracert if it helps: tracert www.nist.gov Tracing route

Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
Message- From: STARNES, CURTIS [mailto:curtis.star...@granburyisd.org] Sent: June-08-11 11:27 AM To: Christopher Morrow; David Swafford Cc: nanog@nanog.org; do-webmas...@nist.gov Subject: RE: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day Typical long trip via

Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Neil Long
On 8 Jun 2011, at 16:30, Jay Ford wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Neil Long wrote: Top of the page it says (now, may have been added) Note: This top level web page has been setup to test IPv6 capabilities and to participate in World IPv6 Day on June 8, 2011. This IPv6 web page will be disabled

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:47:43 PDT, Owen DeLong said: For all but the most inept of access providers, they will have some ability to put customers on IPv6 prior to the day they would have to deploy LSN. The cynic in me says that guarantees widespread deployment of LSN. :) pgpfiixYhziVp.pgp

Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2011-Jun-08 17:26, STARNES, CURTIS wrote: Typical long trip via a sixxs.net tunnel. Unlike Hurricane Electric (tunnelbroker.net), Sixxs has no US peering that I know of so everything has to hit overseas before returning back. psst.. there is no such thing as SixXS peering. Each PoP

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-08 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 08:25:59PM +, john.herb...@usc-bt.com wrote: Bill Woodcock [mailto:wo...@pch.net] spake: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/ Uh... This does rather assume that users can access Google/Bing (both IPv6 day participants) to search for a solution to the problems

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-07 Thread fredrik danerklint
/index.php/Broadband_CPE#DSL). All the DSL modem vendors could stand improving their GUI. Frank -Original Message- From: fredrik danerklint [mailto:fredan-na...@fredan.se] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:27 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

RE: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-07 Thread Frank Bulk
...@iname.com Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day Two thing about this one after have read the manual of this product. This is probably for the american market. I'm in europe. Second, nowhere in their manual is the word ipv6 or v6 found. Have a ZyXEL VSG1432 right behind me

RE: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-07 Thread John.Herbert
Bill Woodcock [mailto:wo...@pch.net] spake: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/ Uh... This does rather assume that users can access Google/Bing (both IPv6 day participants) to search for a solution to the problems they are experiencing, and then that they can actually access the KB

RE: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-07 Thread Christopher Palmer
-Original Message- From: Jima [mailto:na...@jima.tk] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 4:21 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day On 2011-06-02 17:26, Bill Woodcock wrote: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/ Uh... While I'm far from

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-07 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Moving them to IPv6 and hoping that enough of the content providers move forward fast enough to minimize the extent of the LSN deployment required. The problem here is not content, it's access. Look at World IPv6 day. What

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-07 Thread Jack Bates
On 6/7/2011 9:01 PM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Owen DeLongo...@delong.com wrote: Moving them to IPv6 and hoping that enough of the content providers move forward fast enough to minimize the extent of the LSN deployment required. The problem here is not content,

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-07 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Moving them to IPv6 and hoping that enough of the content providers move forward fast enough to minimize the extent of the LSN deployment required. The problem here is

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-07 Thread Martin Millnert
Owen, On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: LSN is required when access providers come across the following two combined constraints:        1.      No more IPv4 addresses to give to customers.        2.      No ability to deploy those customers on IPv6. 2 has

RE: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-07 Thread Christopher Palmer
@ Microsoft -Original Message- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:48 PM To: Lorenzo Colitti Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-06 Thread Owen DeLong
It's how you handle the exceptions. Home users have port 25 off by default but can still get it turned on. Most home users don't need a public IP address as they are not running stuff that requires it however some do so planning to handle the exceptions as efficiently as possible is a

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-06 Thread Mark Andrews
In message dfe74319-378f-4134-b521-452328b17...@delong.com, Owen DeLong writes: It's how you handle the exceptions. Home users have port 25 off by default but can still get it turned on. Most home users don't need a public IP address as they are not running stuff that requires it

Re: Protocol-41 is not the only tunneling protocol (Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day)

2011-06-06 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Owen DeLong wrote: FIrst I've heard of such a thing. The original organizers of W6D have zero motivation to try such a thing and I can't imagine why they would even consider it for more than a picosecond. It'd be a great way to get a point across. ;-) --

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com said: You're not that atypical either, at least compared to US users. The following very common applications are known to have problems with LSN: The HTTPs Server on TiVO boxes I'm curious: how does this have any problem with any particular

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-06 Thread Jason Fesler
In that case can anyone explain why the number of IPv4 *only* systems is increasing rather than decreasing: http://server8.test-ipv6.com/stats.html Increased traffic from less-geeky people = more sane numbers overall. The problem with the graphs on that site is that the audience is self

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-06 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 6, 2011, at 12:20 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message dfe74319-378f-4134-b521-452328b17...@delong.com, Owen DeLong writes: It's how you handle the exceptions. Home users have port 25 off by default but can still get it turned on. Most home users don't need a public IP address

Re: Protocol-41 is not the only tunneling protocol (Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day)

2011-06-06 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 6, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Owen DeLong wrote: FIrst I've heard of such a thing. The original organizers of W6D have zero motivation to try such a thing and I can't imagine why they would even consider it for more than a picosecond. It'd be a great way to get a

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-06 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 6, 2011, at 5:55 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com said: You're not that atypical either, at least compared to US users. The following very common applications are known to have problems with LSN: The HTTPs Server on TiVO boxes I'm curious:

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-06 Thread Tim Chown
On 6 Jun 2011, at 15:30, Jason Fesler wrote: I would have expected the green+azure areas in those graphs to have increased in the past half year but counter-intutitively, it appears that IPv4 only usage is increasing. You're assuming there's significant rollout of IPv6. Everything I've

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-05 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
2011/6/6 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org: There is no reason that they can't do a similar thing to move customers who are doing things that break with LSN out from behind the LSN. Oh, you're right, they'll surelly do that. But not in time, and not for free. LSN is beeing actively implemented in

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message BANLkTimGkuL7ycrYG6kTC1U7OWis9dOA+YaV-YHwr+5C8=0...@mail.gmail.com , =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgTmljb2xsZQ==?= writes: 2011/6/6 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org: There is no reason that they can't do a similar thing to move customers who are doing things that break with LSN out from behind

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-05 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Jun 5, 2011 6:15 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message BANLkTimGkuL7ycrYG6kTC1U7OWis9dOA+YaV-YHwr+5C8= 0...@mail.gmail.com , =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgTmljb2xsZQ==?= writes: 2011/6/6 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org: There is no reason that they can't do a similar thing to move

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-05 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
2011/6/6 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org: Well here in Australia I would be calling the ACCC is a ISP tried to charge extra for a address that is not behind a LSN. On France, our bigger ISP charges extra for a fixed IP. Its network beeing rather old-fashioned, every DSL (and residential fiber) line

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message banlktiniakw+gppcmjfs8qfbdrm7qek...@mail.gmail.com, Cameron Byrne writes: On Jun 5, 2011 6:15 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message BANLkTimGkuL7ycrYG6kTC1U7OWis9dOA+YaV-YHwr+5C8= 0...@mail.gmail.com , =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgTmljb2xsZQ==?= writes: 2011/6/6 Mark

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-05 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Jun 5, 2011 7:15 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message banlktiniakw+gppcmjfs8qfbdrm7qek...@mail.gmail.com, Cameron Byrne writes: On Jun 5, 2011 6:15 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message BANLkTimGkuL7ycrYG6kTC1U7OWis9dOA+YaV-YHwr+5C8= 0...@mail.gmail.com

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message BANLkTik+qgTPXOwaSsHseYQbP0MBJw25Tb2bO6b3kyrKvhGj=q...@mail.gmail.com, = ?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgTmljb2xsZQ==?= writes: 2011/6/6 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org: Well here in Australia I would be calling the ACCC is a ISP tried to charge extra for a address that is not behind a LSN.

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jun 3, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:24 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:20:22 PDT, Scott Weeks said: There're about 52 peaks in a year on the timeline... :-) Right. But why is Google seeing noticeably higher IPv6 loads on

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-04 Thread Owen DeLong
Note that from Geoff's published experiment presented in IETF v6ops the success rate of v6 connection attempts particularly auto-tunneled is higher on the weekends than during weekdays, you can thank corporate firewall policy for that particular phenomena.

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jun 4, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Note that from Geoff's published experiment presented in IETF v6ops the success rate of v6 connection attempts particularly auto-tunneled is higher on the weekends than during weekdays, you can thank corporate firewall policy for that

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Jaidev Sridhar
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 21:22, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: It provides a handy space to comment at the bottom. Perhaps people here would like to let M$ know that it would be preferable to provide pointers to real workable IPv6 connectivity solutions rather than merely hotwire the system

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Jaidev Sridhar wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 21:22, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: It provides a handy space to comment at the bottom. Perhaps people here would like to let M$ know that it would be preferable to provide pointers to real workable IPv6

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:18 AM, goe...@anime.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: I'm not missing the point, just suggesting that it would be better if Micr0$0ft were part of the solution instead of just hotwiring past the problem. and your solution is what? -Dan As I said

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Tim Chown
On 3 Jun 2011, at 10:13, Owen DeLong wrote: As I said before, provide pointers to resources where users can follow up on actually resolving the issues. Their ISP, their IT department, web pages with additional information on how to diagnose the problem, etc. I would guess a typical user

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Tim Chown
On 3 Jun 2011, at 01:08, andrew.wallace wrote: World anything day is a sure-shot bet win at an anti-climax, and an industry failure and waste of investment and publicity campaign. The day passing without any significant userland issues would make it a success. It's a good opportunity to

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Jared Mauch
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:18:08AM -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: I'm not missing the point, just suggesting that it would be better if Micr0$0ft were part of the solution instead of just hotwiring past the problem. and your solution is what?

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread fredrik danerklint
The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case. For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup) in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it. How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote: The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case. For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup) in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it. You made the

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jun 3, 2011, at 5:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote: The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case. For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup) in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it. How do I

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 08:42:01 EDT, Jared Mauch said: On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote: The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case. For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup) in december

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
Do they have any good reason to block proto 41? Generic Homeusers never asked for IPv4 so they won't ask for IPv6. The time will change many things from CPE to perspective as well. I'm not ready to answer million calls on World IPv6 only week :) Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui On Fri, Jun 3, 2011

Re: Protocol-41 is not the only tunneling protocol (Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day)

2011-06-03 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2011-Jun-03 16:13, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Jun 3, 2011 6:59 AM, Tim Chown t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: On 3 Jun 2011, at 14:38, Jeroen Massar jer...@unfix.org wrote: IPv6 only was the original plan of World IPv6 Day It was? No. I think there is confusion with ipv6 hour that happens at

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 3, 2011, at 5:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote: The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case. For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup) in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it. OK...

RE: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Frank Bulk
- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 2:44 AM To: m...@jaidev.info Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Jaidev Sridhar wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 21:22, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote

RE: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Frank Bulk
03, 2011 7:27 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case. For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has 802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup) in december 2010. It basiclly has

Re: Protocol-41 is not the only tunneling protocol (Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day)

2011-06-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:31 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: On 2011-Jun-03 16:13, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Jun 3, 2011 6:59 AM, Tim Chown t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: On 3 Jun 2011, at 14:38, Jeroen Massar jer...@unfix.org wrote: IPv6 only was the original plan of World IPv6 Day It was? No. I

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Franck Martin
http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics/ Something is happening... On 6/2/11 21:34 , Hank Nussbacher h...@efes.iucc.ac.il wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Cameron Byrne wrote: In that case can anyone explain why the number of IPv4 *only* systems is increasing rather than decreasing:

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:31:57 -, Franck Martin said: http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics/ Something is happening... What's special about Sunday peaks and Friday lows on that graph? I think I asked that once before, with no firm conclusions. But there's a definite sawtooth there,

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Scott Weeks
--- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: What's special about Sunday peaks and Friday lows on that graph? I think I asked that once before, with no firm conclusions. But there's a definite sawtooth there, big enough that we probably want to understand it. -

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:20:22 PDT, Scott Weeks said: There're about 52 peaks in a year on the timeline... :-) Right. But why is Google seeing noticeably higher IPv6 loads on Sunday and lower loads on Friday? I'd buy a different traffic pattern for home/office, but then you'd expect Friday to be

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Tony Varriale
On 6/2/2011 7:08 PM, andrew.wallace wrote: Worldanything day is a sure-shot bet win at an anti-climax, and an industry failure and waste of investment and publicity campaign. Andrew I've had more customers ask and now willing to participate than ever before. Any better suggestions? Or,

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Tony McCrory
On 3 June 2011 23:24, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:20:22 PDT, Scott Weeks said: There're about 52 peaks in a year on the timeline...  :-) Right. But why is Google seeing noticeably higher IPv6 loads on Sunday and lower loads on Friday? I'd buy a different traffic

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 12:04:42AM +0100, Tony McCrory wrote: I wonder if there is a disproportionately large amount of IPv6 usage in the Middle East where a number of countries have their weekend on Friday and Saturday, with Sunday being the first day of their working week? UAE and Israel as

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:24 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:20:22 PDT, Scott Weeks said: There're about 52 peaks in a year on the timeline... :-) Right. But why is Google seeing noticeably higher IPv6 loads on Sunday and lower loads on Friday? I'd buy a different

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Bonomi
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Fri Jun 3 17:25:39 2011 To: sur...@mauigateway.com Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:24:42 -0400 Cc: nanog@nanog.org --==_Exmh_1307139882_2680P Content

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: What's special about Sunday peaks and Friday lows on that graph? I think I asked that once before, with no firm conclusions. But there's a definite sawtooth there, big enough that we probably want to understand it. It means that IPv6 geeks

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-03 Thread Martin Hotze
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:13:31 -0700 From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com Subject: Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day To: fredrik danerklint fredan-na...@fredan.se Cc: nanog@nanog.org On Jun 3, 2011, at 5:27 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote: The problem is not all on Microsoft

Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Bill Woodcock
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Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Paul Graydon
On 06/02/2011 12:45 PM, david raistrick wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Bill Woodcock wrote: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/ Uh... snicker. snicker. lol. rofl. we'll fix our ipv6 support by, well, not using it! It's not Microsoft's IPv6 support they're fixing, which works fine from

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Jima
On 2011-06-02 17:26, Bill Woodcock wrote: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/ Uh... While I'm far from a Microsoft apologist (not really even a fan, TBH), it's worth pointing out that they're not pushing this out via Windows Update or anything. It's intended only as a remedy for the

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/ This article describes step-by-step instructions for mitigating issues you may have connecting to the Internet, or certain websites, on World IPv6 Day (June 8, 2011). The following Fix it

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread andrew.wallace
World anything day is a sure-shot bet win at an anti-climax, and an industry failure and waste of investment and publicity campaign. Andrew

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Jima
On 2011-06-02 19:08, andrew.wallace wrote: Worldanything day is a sure-shot bet win at an anti-climax, and an industry failure and waste of investment and publicity campaign. No kidding. We wouldn't want to raise public awareness of IPv6 or anything. That might take it out of the realm

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:08:29 PDT, andrew.wallace said: World anything day is a sure-shot bet win at an anti-climax, and an industry failure and waste of investment and publicity campaign. Got a better idea? Some of us have been running IPv6 since 1998 and this is still the closest thing to

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 4de81ada.3010...@jima.tk, Jima writes: On 2011-06-02 17:26, Bill Woodcock wrote: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2533454/ Uh... While I'm far from a Microsoft apologist (not really even a fan, TBH), it's worth pointing out that they're not pushing this out via Windows

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:29 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:08:29 PDT, andrew.wallace said: World anything day is a sure-shot bet win at an anti-climax, and an industry failure and waste of investment and publicity campaign. Got a better idea?  Some of us have been

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Owen DeLong
It provides a handy space to comment at the bottom. Perhaps people here would like to let M$ know that it would be preferable to provide pointers to real workable IPv6 connectivity solutions rather than merely hotwire the system to temporarily bypass IPv6 in favor of IPv4. That's the path I

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Cameron Byrne wrote: In that case can anyone explain why the number of IPv4 *only* systems is increasing rather than decreasing: http://server8.test-ipv6.com/stats.html I would have expected the green+azure areas in those graphs to have increased in the past half year but

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/02/2011 21:34, Hank Nussbacher wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Cameron Byrne wrote: In that case can anyone explain why the number of IPv4 *only* systems is increasing rather than decreasing: http://server8.test-ipv6.com/stats.html I would have expected the green+azure areas in those graphs

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Hank Nussbacher h...@efes.iucc.ac.il wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Cameron Byrne wrote: In that case can anyone explain why the number of IPv4 *only* systems is increasing rather than decreasing: http://server8.test-ipv6.com/stats.html I would have expected the

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Hank Nussbacher h...@efes.iucc.ac.il wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Cameron Byrne wrote: In that case can anyone explain why the number of IPv4 *only* systems is increasing rather than

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Mark Andrews
In message BANLkTi=l1pdmxdcmqs+z656yjnsdnud...@mail.gmail.com, Cameron Byrne writes: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Hank Nussbacher h...@efes.iucc.ac.il wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Cameron Byrne wrote: In that case can anyone explain why the number of IPv4 *only* systems is increasing

Re: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day

2011-06-02 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 21:42, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Pure speculation here, but these stats that you refer to are not a scientifically representative sample of the internet at large, this sample is a self selecting group of people who have chosen to run an ipv6 test.