Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-14 Thread Alan Buxey
her.net> > Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 9:37 PM > To: Michael Loftis > Cc: Nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions? > > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Michael Loftis <mlof...@wgops.com> wrote: >> >> If it is in the railr

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-14 Thread Jared Mauch
Pretty much. Here is an example of permitting requirements for underground. Underground costs 5-12/foot (or more in urban areas) whereas aerial can be as low as $2/foot. Jared Mauch > On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Ricky Beam wrote: > >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2017 15:52:40 -0400,

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-04 Thread Rod Beck
. From: NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of Michael Hallgren <m...@xalto.net> Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 9:47 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions? Le 02/09/2017 à 21:25, Baldur Norddahl a écrit : > That depends

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-03 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Den 2. sep. 2017 21.49 skrev "Michael Hallgren" : Le 02/09/2017 à 21:25, Baldur Norddahl a écrit : > That depends on the country. Here in Denmark it is not possible to get > rights to put up any aerial at all. The cost difference is irrelevant when > you have no option but to put

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-02 Thread Jason Baugher
The the USA, we have tornadoes, hurricanes, nasty wind and lightning, ice accumulation on lines, and idiot squirrels that like to eat fiber. Buried fiber over time will end up being cheaper than aerial once you factor in maintenance and repair. Add to that the additional cost of pole studies,

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-02 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le 02/09/2017 à 21:25, Baldur Norddahl a écrit : > That depends on the country. Here in Denmark it is not possible to get > rights to put up any aerial at all. The cost difference is irrelevant when > you have no option but to put it in the ground. > > Not only is there no new aerial installations

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-02 Thread Baldur Norddahl
That depends on the country. Here in Denmark it is not possible to get rights to put up any aerial at all. The cost difference is irrelevant when you have no option but to put it in the ground. Not only is there no new aerial installations here but the old ones are taken down. Very little is left

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-02 Thread Michael Hallgren
lantic? > > > > From: NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of Jared Mauch > <ja...@puck.nether.net> > Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 9:37 PM > To: Michael Loftis > Cc: Nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-02 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 2017-09-01 18:38, Ricky Beam wrote: > Buried stuff requires a great deal of planning, permitting, and insurance. Are cables in railway right of way considered "burried stuff" from the point of view of all the regulatory approvals since it is on private land (railway's) ? I take it that it

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-01 Thread Ricky Beam
On Fri, 01 Sep 2017 15:52:40 -0400, Rod Beck wrote: I don't think there is virtually any aerial in Europe. So given the cost difference why is virtually all fiber buried on this side of the Atlantic? Aerial is simple and fast... pull the cable through a

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-01 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 2017-09-01 16:12, Alain Hebert wrote: > Being somehow familiar with how things operate when it involve > Quebec Govt and the Fed Govt... Expect hell. Pray for purgatory. > Rejoice if it takes less than 3 months. In this particular case, the government is giving CN new land, and once

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-01 Thread Alain Hebert
Yeah, Being somehow familiar with how things operate when it involve Quebec Govt and the Fed Govt... Expect hell. Pray for purgatory. Rejoice if it takes less than 3 months. PS: At least we have very good, and dedicated, cabling crews. =D. But yeah, there is work

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-01 Thread Rod Beck
September 1, 2017 9:37 PM To: Michael Loftis Cc: Nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions? > On Sep 1, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Michael Loftis <mlof...@wgops.com> wrote: > > If it is in the railroad RoW they may be restricted to daylight working > only. Check

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-01 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Michael Loftis wrote: > > If it is in the railroad RoW they may be restricted to daylight working > only. Check with your provider or OSP crew. > Yup. Railroad work is complex just because you have to coordinate with the railroad owner and

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-01 Thread Eric Dugas

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-01 Thread Michael Loftis
If it is in the railroad RoW they may be restricted to daylight working only. Check with your provider or OSP crew. -- "Genius might be described as a supreme capacity for getting its possessors into trouble of all kinds." -- Samuel Butler

Re: Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-01 Thread Jay Hanke
I'd expect at least a couple of hours of outage while the cable is reconnected. When doing the move on the live cable (assuming 1 cable). There will be a splicing crew at each end of the move. They will then break a tube or ribbon at a time and splice into the new cable. Splicing unused portions

Moving fibre trunks: interruptions?

2017-09-01 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
A large highway interchange is being rebuilt in Montréal (Turcot) and this requires that the CN mainline tracks out of downtown be moved a few hundred metres to the north for a couple of kilometres until it rejoins the existing alignment. Part of the contract involves the cost of moving the