Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-14 Thread Ben McGinnes
On 15/07/11 12:24 AM, Alex Ryu wrote: > That issue can be resolved by changing email addresses for multiple > language support by using announce...@example.com, > anounce...@example.com ? Yeah, that's how I'd get around it. I think the Document Foundation had some other issues, like wanting addre

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-14 Thread Alex Ryu
That issue can be resolved by changing email addresses for multiple language support by using announce...@example.com, anounce...@example.com ? Alex On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ben McGinnes wrote: > On 13/07/11 11:37 PM, Richard Kulawiec wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 04:13:10PM +0200,

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-14 Thread Ben McGinnes
On 13/07/11 11:37 PM, Richard Kulawiec wrote: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 04:13:10PM +0200, Mattias Ahnberg wrote: >> I might have missed some discussion; but why are we moving >> away from mailman, and what software is in the new system? > > Seconded. Mailman is presently the gold standard for mai

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-13 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Unconfigured bulk_mailer = lots of unsolicited bulk mail Oh well --srs Sent from my iPad On 13-Jul-2011, at 19:43, James Cloos wrote: >> "JA" == Jay Ashworth writes: > > JA> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ben Carleton" > >>> * The mailing list is stripping out all Received: h

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-13 Thread James Cloos
> "JA" == Jay Ashworth writes: JA> - Original Message - >> From: "Ben Carleton" >> * The mailing list is stripping out all Received: headers from prior >> to the message hitting the listserver JA> You're the third person to report that, but *I* am seeing incoming JA> Received heade

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-13 Thread -Hammer-
Good response Jimmy. I think that peoples tact more than anything is what is embarrassing about these threads. The complaint is legitimate. -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd" -Jack Herer On 07/12/2011 09:05 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:25 AM, -Hammer- wrote: T

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-13 Thread Richard Kulawiec
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 04:13:10PM +0200, Mattias Ahnberg wrote: > I might have missed some discussion; but why are we moving > away from mailman, and what software is in the new system? Seconded. Mailman is presently the gold standard for mailing list management [1], and while a lift-and-drop of

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Larry J. Blunk
- Original Message - > > On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Larry J. Blunk wrote: > > > > I've have some concerns with AMS based on my experience > > with the IETF mailing list. It has had ongoing issues with > > out-of-sequence delivery. Based on the Received headers, it's > > seems prett

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Larry J. Blunk wrote: > > I've have some concerns with AMS based on my experience > with the IETF mailing list. It has had ongoing issues with > out-of-sequence delivery. Based on the Received headers, it's > seems pretty clear the re-ordering is occurring internal

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Larry J. Blunk
- Original Message - > > On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > > > Looks like parts of the received like are still there, though > > butchered and mashed in (most likely in a non-RFC compliant > > manner) with the one added by 'bulk_maler v1.13' (great name for > > the mail

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:25 AM, -Hammer- wrote: > The tolerance of some of you out there is amazing. You must be PS3 users > crying because your free game network is down. Maybe we can get a PS3net users had a right to cry.. because their 'free' game network is not really free, and they bought

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Heinrich Strauss
On 2011/07/12 16:20, Grant Taylor wrote: Also, subscriptions that were set to no mail delivery are now delivering mail. Is this expected? I saw duplicate messages from an account that I had disabled (while testing NANOG volumes to a portable messaging device and forwarding to this account) and

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 7/12/11 10:37 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: You seem to be new here. Since you asked, no, been around alot longer then I care to remember. bulk_mailer was something used back in the day to workaround limitations in sendmail for those people operating majordomo (and those using smail etc). it

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > Looks like parts of the received like are still there, though butchered and > mashed in (most likely in a non-RFC compliant manner) with the one added by > 'bulk_maler v1.13' (great name for the mailer, btw, sets off my spammy sense > someth

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread -Hammer-
job as one the trainers for the so called "experts" on this. Ralph -Original Message- From: Robert Bonomi [mailto:bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:14 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Cc: na...@nanog.org.r-bonomi.com I

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Ben Carleton
e one that started the thread called "NANOG List Update - Moving Forward" from Michael K Smith, for example), you will see that the headers are being stripped... --bc -Original Message- From: "Jay Ashworth" Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:13pm To: "NANOG"

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 7/12/11 10:13 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Ben Carleton" * The mailing list is stripping out all Received: headers from prior to the message hitting the listserver You're the third person to report that, but *I* am seeing incoming Received headers in my mes

RE: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Ralph E. Whitmore, III
bonomi.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:14 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward Cc: na...@nanog.org.r-bonomi.com In-Reply-To: <1be304a1-0da0-4558-83ad-0e4f08f81...@twincreeks.net> > Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward > From: Steve Fe

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Gerry Boudreaux" > On Jul 12, 2011, at 00:19 , Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: > > Mailman is shut down on s0.nanog.org and mail is being routed directly to > > mail.amsl.com where it is being processed by our new list (etc.) system. > > Will the list archi

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Ben Carleton" > * The mailing list is stripping out all Received: headers from prior > to the message hitting the listserver You're the third person to report that, but *I* am seeing incoming Received headers in my messages here -- yours, for example, has th

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Robert Bonomi
Cc: na...@nanog.org.r-bonomi.com In-Reply-To: <1be304a1-0da0-4558-83ad-0e4f08f81...@twincreeks.net> > Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward > From: Steve Feldman > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:00:51 -0700 > > We're aware of the spam problem and have ou

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> Thankfully, the current test has been a success.  We are going to >>> stay in >> Hooray for testing in production. > > we are not dealing with stupid or inexperienced people here.  i assume > they tested. > > but, like our beloved vendors, th

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Randy Bush
>> Thankfully, the current test has been a success.  We are going to >> stay in > Hooray for testing in production. we are not dealing with stupid or inexperienced people here. i assume they tested. but, like our beloved vendors, they also have a hard time reproducing the real network in the lab

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Christopher J. Pilkington
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: > Thankfully, the current test has been a success.  We are going to stay in Hooray for testing in production. -cjp

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Gerry Boudreaux
On Jul 12, 2011, at 00:19 , Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: > Mailman is shut down on s0.nanog.org and mail is being routed directly to > mail.amsl.com where it is being processed by our new list (etc.) system. Will the list archives migrate? What about future list archives? Thanks G

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Ben Carleton
al Message- From: "Steve Feldman" Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:00am To: deles...@gmail.com Cc: "NANOG list" Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward We're aware of the spam problem and have our top people working on it. Reports of other lingering issues f

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Grant Taylor
On 07/12/11 03:21, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: The new posts do not have list (un)subscribe information in the headers. Also, subscriptions that were set to no mail delivery are now delivering mail. Is this expected? Grant. . . .

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Tim Franklin
- Original Message - > The new posts do not have list (un)subscribe information in the > headers. Also, a statement would be nice as to what header definitely *will* be in place that we can filter on. At the moment, I'm assuming 'List-ID', but I'm not sure if that header or its conten

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Mattias Ahnberg
On 2011-07-12 07:19, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: > If you have any questions or concerns please let me know. I miss proper List-Id headers for identifying and filtering the list easily. I might have missed some discussion; but why are we moving away from mailman, and what software is in the

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Mattias Ahnberg
On 2011-07-12 07:19, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: > If you have any questions or concerns please let me know. I miss proper List-Id headers for identifying and filtering the list easily. I might have missed some discussion; but why are we moving away from mailman, and what software is in the

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Steve Feldman
We're aware of the spam problem and have our top people working on it. Reports of other lingering issues from the change would be appreciated, though. Thanks, Steve On Jul 12, 2011, at 5:03 AM, jim deleskie wrote: > +1 > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:32 AM, William Pitcock > wrote: >> On Tu

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Joe Greco
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: > > > If you have any questions or concerns please let me know. > > The new posts do not have list (un)subscribe information in the headers. I'll offer an evenhanded comment in that it's frustrating that the headers used have changed, since

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: If you have any questions or concerns please let me know. The new posts do not have list (un)subscribe information in the headers. Also, the headers now no longer include the origin of mess

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward?

2011-07-12 Thread XPhi
Hi Also seeing a gross amount of spam from list and my "digest" setting has been lost apparently. Sigh C

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
Just want to re-confirm. I've got only 4 in my spam. Is it google spam who is not putting it in SPAM folder? Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:32 PM, William Pitcock wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:50:38 +0100 (BST) > Tim Franklin wrote: > > > > Thankfully, the current test

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: If you have any questions or concerns please let me know. The new posts do not have list (un)subscribe information in the headers. This took a very long time to get delivered (2h20 minutes)

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Philip Dorr
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:50 AM, Tim Franklin wrote: >> Thankfully, the current test has been a success. > > Including stopping non-members from posting to the list, and other anti-spam? > > I've got a sudden influx this morning of spam addressed to nanog@nanog.org :( > > Regards, > Tim. > Same h

RE: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Chris Barlow
deleskie [mailto:deles...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 July 2011 13:03 To: neno...@systeminplace.net Cc: t...@pelican.org; NANOG list Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward +1 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:32 AM, William Pitcock wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:50:38 +0100 (BST) Tim Franklin >

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread jim deleskie
+1 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:32 AM, William Pitcock wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:50:38 +0100 (BST) > Tim Franklin wrote: > >> > Thankfully, the current test has been a success. >> >> Including stopping non-members from posting to the list, and other >> anti-spam? >> >> I've got a sudden influ

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Randy Bush
> If you have any questions or concerns please let me know. we haz spam! randy

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread William Pitcock
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:50:38 +0100 (BST) Tim Franklin wrote: > > Thankfully, the current test has been a success. > > Including stopping non-members from posting to the list, and other > anti-spam? > > I've got a sudden influx this morning of spam addressed to > nanog@nanog.org :( > Ditto. G

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Tim Franklin
> Thankfully, the current test has been a success. Including stopping non-members from posting to the list, and other anti-spam? I've got a sudden influx this morning of spam addressed to nanog@nanog.org :( Regards, Tim.

Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-12 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: If you have any questions or concerns please let me know. The new posts do not have list (un)subscribe information in the headers. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se

NANOG List Update - Moving Forward

2011-07-11 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
Hello All: Thankfully, the current test has been a success. We are going to stay in the present setup through tomorrow morning at approximately 11:00 AM PDT (GMT -7). Below is a brief description of the present state and the changes that will be made tomorrow. Present State Mai