Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

I realize there has been some call to end this thread but if I may add a little history... On December 5, 2017 at 06:49 l...@satchell.net (Stephen Satchell) wrote: > Indeed. What Ajit Pai missed in his deliberations for the Dec 14 FCC > vote is that the Internet as we know it was developed

Re: Novice sysadmins

People die all the time in our profession. Loss of job due to major failure… self inflicted suicide or even homicide by disgruntled employee due to others negligent actions and laziness. It only amplifies and is less reported these days that in the dot.com boom era. But the higher the

Re: Novice sysadmins

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Satchell wrote: What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have yet to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up. (Other than dropping something heavy onto someone, using a fork lift

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All industries have risks associated. In our Sysadmin context - Though I have not heard of any yet - a case scenario of telesurgery/remote surgery. In the midst of this operation - a misconfiguration by either a netadmin(bgp) or sysadmin(dns) resulting into downtime cutting off communication =

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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Satchell wrote: > What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have yet > to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up. (Other > than dropping something heavy onto someone, using a fork lift >

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On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 02:18:07PM -0500, Harald Koch wrote: > On 6 December 2017 at 13:51, Stephen Satchell wrote: > > > What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have yet > > to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up. > > > > Oh

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On 6 December 2017 at 13:51, Stephen Satchell wrote: > What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have yet > to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up. > Oh c'mon. Now you're being deliberately obtuse. I work IT for a hospital.

Re: Novice sysadmins

In a message written on Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 10:51:32AM -0800, Stephen Satchell wrote: > What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have > yet to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up. > (Other than dropping something heavy onto someone, using a fork

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On 12/06/2017 09:27 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 12/6/17 09:16, Nate Metheny wrote: I've always been more than willing to share knowledge and skill training with those who show interest and talent; the more qualified and interested people involved, the better, in my opinion. Making the club

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On 12/06/2017 09:27 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 12/6/17 09:16, Nate Metheny wrote: I've always been more than willing to share knowledge and skill training with those who show interest and talent; the more qualified and interested people involved, the better, in my opinion. Making the club

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On 12/6/17 09:16, Nate Metheny wrote: I've always been more than willing to share knowledge and skill training with those who show interest and talent; the more qualified and interested people involved, the better, in my opinion. Making the club "exclusive" by requiring thousands of dollars of

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The day the secret service and the FBI showed up asking me for a network audit due to suspicious traffic I realized that I need to take abuse@ seriously. "I'm only the network administrator" didn't go over well. I've always been more than willing to share knowledge and skill training with those

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I disagree that nobody cares about abuse. I actually received an abuse report from SES as someone thought it would be funny to flag my previous email I sent to this discussion as spam. https://i.imgur.com/RgQa2fN.png -- Filip Hruska Linux System Administrator Dne 12/6/17 v 11:52 Rich

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On Wednesday, 6 December, 2017 03:53, Rich Kulawiec wrote: >On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:54:21AM -0700, Grant Taylor via NANOG >wrote: >> If you are trying, make an honest mistake, and are willing to >> correct it when others politely let you know, you will quite >> likely find

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:54:21AM -0700, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > The vast majority of what I've experienced in the last ~20 years has been > people willing to help others who are trying to help themselves. "Help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it." > If you are

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

--- b...@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin Even the relatively good ones are bad. I have identified 60 and am on track to identify about 200 errors in the official ISC2 CISSP study guide. - One last one I promise... :-) I also

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > Have you seen neteng certs lately? I'm forced to maintain a > lower level one to keep my job and it makes me angry every > time I have to do it. The sales pitch is hidden in the words > and the correct answer is almost

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

--- l...@satchell.net wrote: From: Stephen Satchell Indeed, I'm not aware of any certification that applies to system administrators. Network administrators have certs that are well-recognized and accepted. Mail admins? Server admins? The certs that are out there

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Should have an honorary list of great sysadmins. In my years of doing this sort of work, I found a number of folks that would lend a helping hand. To that, I would like to nominate: Strata Rose Chalup -- Strata Rose Chalup began as a novice sysadmin in 1983 and has been leading

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: > the Internet as we know it was developed under the stern eyes of the > Department of Defense and the National Science Foundation. The NSF in > particular ran the 'Net like bouncers do in a strip club: you break the >

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And then, let's not forget the BOFH! (http://www.bofharchive.com), and Mordac. On 12/5/17 11:40 AM, Sam Oduor wrote: Subject of interest; my 15 years experience I met a blend of senior admins while learning the curves .. 1. Those who denied you knowledge/handover due to insecurity 2.

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Subject of interest; my 15 years experience I met a blend of senior admins while learning the curves .. 1. Those who denied you knowledge/handover due to insecurity 2. Those who fed you with knowledge but were rude and could make you feel like you undergoing some military training 3. Those

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Umm.. back in the day, only researchers & engineers used the ARPANET, and secretaries, and administrators, and very quickly lots of military ratings, ... By the time networks were connected to form the Internet, and particularly once university LANs and CANs were connected, you had students,

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

Back in the day, only Ph.D's used the internet, so they were the sysadmins. These days, I recommend that system administration be only allowed for card-holding responsible people who have proven their technical abilities. Then, when you get awarded your Ph.D, they can take your sysadmin card

Re: Novice sysadmins

On 12/05/2017 09:17 AM, Harald Koch wrote: Thirty years ago I started my sysadmin journey on an Internet that was filled with helpful, experienced people that were willing to share their knowledge. The vast majority of what I've experienced in the last ~20 years has been people willing to

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

In a message written on Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 06:49:43AM -0800, Stephen Satchell wrote: > The NSF in particular ran the 'Net like bouncers do in a strip club: > you break the rules, you go. No argument. I'm not sure I've ever seen a more inaccurate description of the NSF. What in the world are

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with three connections to the NSFnet. I don't remember this world of banishment and exile you're discussing; the NSFnet staff I dealt with were all friendly and helpful. I plan to continue to "pay it forward", by being friendly and helpful to "novice sysadmins". The curmudgeon

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

remember this world of banishment and exile you're discussing; the NSFnet staff I dealt with were all friendly and helpful. I plan to continue to "pay it forward", by being friendly and helpful to "novice sysadmins". The curmudgeons in this thread can, frankly, get off my lawn. -- Harald

Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

On 12/05/2017 02:59 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 07:38:18PM -0500, Eric Tykwinski wrote: Main point I think is mailops comes with a learning curve, and it happens... "Current Peeve: The mindset that the Internet is some sort of school for novice sysa