Re: Opinions on Arista for BGP?
I did an eval for some folks last Aug on Arista and 2 other vendors, one of the others decided they didn't want to play the 3rd did. Of the 3 Arista performed better/best. The test plan was shared with all 3 vendors prior to testing and it definitely push all this to and then past their published limits. Arista was the only one in 2 days I didn't break. Use case big fast simple L3 BGP router. -jim On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 10:11 AM David Hubbard < dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote: > Hi all, would love to get any current opinions (on or off list) on the > stability of Arista’s BGP implementation these days. Been many years since > I last looked into it and wasn’t ready for a change yet. Past many years > have been IOS XR on NCS5500 platform and Arista everywhere but the edge. > I’ve been really happy with them in the other roles, so am thinking about > edge now. I do like and use XR’s RPL, and prefix/as/community/object sets, > but we can live without via our own config management if there aren’t easy > equivalents. No fancy needs at all, just small web server networks, so > just need reliable eBGP and internal OSPF/OSPFv3. > > > > Thanks, > > > > David >
Re: Opinions on Arista for BGP?
Important note - Arista has 2 BGP implementations in the routing stack, old (NH/ribd) that has been there since day 1 and newly written (I believe mostly driven by EVPN development), when compared to other vendors - make sure to compare with the new (modern code, highly multithreaded, cache optimized) implementation. Cheers, Jeff > On Apr 1, 2022, at 11:10, Adam Thompson wrote: > > > TL;DR: Yes, go ahead, they’re good, we like them. > > I won’t say they’re perfect, but we’re using them at the edge (two of them in > a hybrid core/edge model right now, even!) and I would happily endorse them > for edge routers. Their BGP stack hasn’t put up any major roadblocks for us > so far (at least, that weren’t, ahem, self-inflicted). We’ve had 1 incident > in the last ~2 years where a stuck route on one router needed a full reboot > to clear out, following a partial outage - that’s the worst thing I can > remember right now. > > Don’t know if you know this already or not, so making it clear: the one > thing to beware of IMO, compared to e.g. a high-end Juniper MX960-style > system where you can turn every single feature on without caring, is that the > Aristas can do almost anything you can dream of… but not necessarily all at > the same time on the same box, no matter which model you’re looking at. > So if you use it as an edge router? Fine. As a VXLAN gateway? Fine. As a > core router or switch with every kind of accounting turned on? Fine. All of > those things simultaneously? Maybe. It’ll be decision time for which > specific, individual sub-features you can live without. But you’re paying > 1/10th (probably less!) of what you would for an MX960, so there you go. > > If this helps, they’re similar to the Cisco Nexus platform in this regard, > e.g. if you enable and use every single “Feature” on the fixed-configuration > Nexuses you’ll start running out of hardware configuration resources to > enable them long before you can finish configuring or using all those > features. > > This is something your Arista SE can go through with you in excruciating > detail (keyword: “TCAM Profile”), if you think you might be veering into that > territory. After lots of iterations, and a new software release or two, our > all-in-one boxes (7280SR2K) do more or less everything we want them to. > (Apparently we aren’t typical Arista customers. Go figure.) If you want to > do BGP and MLAG at the same time on the same box, get your SE involved from > the start. > > For anyone not trying to overload the platform or do too much “weird” stuff, > it should be a quick and easy deployment producing much happiness. > > -Adam > > > Adam Thompson > Consultant, Infrastructure Services > > 100 - 135 Innovation Drive > Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 > (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) > athomp...@merlin.mb.ca > www.merlin.mb.ca > > From: NANOG On Behalf Of > David Hubbard > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 8:10 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Opinions on Arista for BGP? > > Hi all, would love to get any current opinions (on or off list) on the > stability of Arista’s BGP implementation these days. Been many years since I > last looked into it and wasn’t ready for a change yet. Past many years have > been IOS XR on NCS5500 platform and Arista everywhere but the edge. I’ve > been really happy with them in the other roles, so am thinking about edge > now. I do like and use XR’s RPL, and prefix/as/community/object sets, but we > can live without via our own config management if there aren’t easy > equivalents. No fancy needs at all, just small web server networks, so just > need reliable eBGP and internal OSPF/OSPFv3. > > Thanks, > > David
RE: Opinions on Arista for BGP?
TL;DR: Yes, go ahead, they’re good, we like them. I won’t say they’re perfect, but we’re using them at the edge (two of them in a hybrid core/edge model right now, even!) and I would happily endorse them for edge routers. Their BGP stack hasn’t put up any major roadblocks for us so far (at least, that weren’t, ahem, self-inflicted). We’ve had 1 incident in the last ~2 years where a stuck route on one router needed a full reboot to clear out, following a partial outage - that’s the worst thing I can remember right now. Don’t know if you know this already or not, so making it clear: the one thing to beware of IMO, compared to e.g. a high-end Juniper MX960-style system where you can turn every single feature on without caring, is that the Aristas can do almost anything you can dream of… but not necessarily all at the same time on the same box, no matter which model you’re looking at. So if you use it as an edge router? Fine. As a VXLAN gateway? Fine. As a core router or switch with every kind of accounting turned on? Fine. All of those things simultaneously? Maybe. It’ll be decision time for which specific, individual sub-features you can live without. But you’re paying 1/10th (probably less!) of what you would for an MX960, so there you go. If this helps, they’re similar to the Cisco Nexus platform in this regard, e.g. if you enable and use every single “Feature” on the fixed-configuration Nexuses you’ll start running out of hardware configuration resources to enable them long before you can finish configuring or using all those features. This is something your Arista SE can go through with you in excruciating detail (keyword: “TCAM Profile”), if you think you might be veering into that territory. After lots of iterations, and a new software release or two, our all-in-one boxes (7280SR2K) do more or less everything we want them to. (Apparently we aren’t typical Arista customers. Go figure.) If you want to do BGP and MLAG at the same time on the same box, get your SE involved from the start. For anyone not trying to overload the platform or do too much “weird” stuff, it should be a quick and easy deployment producing much happiness. -Adam Adam Thompson Consultant, Infrastructure Services [MERLIN] 100 - 135 Innovation Drive Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) athomp...@merlin.mb.ca<mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca> www.merlin.mb.ca<http://www.merlin.mb.ca/> From: NANOG On Behalf Of David Hubbard Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 8:10 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Opinions on Arista for BGP? Hi all, would love to get any current opinions (on or off list) on the stability of Arista’s BGP implementation these days. Been many years since I last looked into it and wasn’t ready for a change yet. Past many years have been IOS XR on NCS5500 platform and Arista everywhere but the edge. I’ve been really happy with them in the other roles, so am thinking about edge now. I do like and use XR’s RPL, and prefix/as/community/object sets, but we can live without via our own config management if there aren’t easy equivalents. No fancy needs at all, just small web server networks, so just need reliable eBGP and internal OSPF/OSPFv3. Thanks, David
Opinions on Arista for BGP?
Hi all, would love to get any current opinions (on or off list) on the stability of Arista’s BGP implementation these days. Been many years since I last looked into it and wasn’t ready for a change yet. Past many years have been IOS XR on NCS5500 platform and Arista everywhere but the edge. I’ve been really happy with them in the other roles, so am thinking about edge now. I do like and use XR’s RPL, and prefix/as/community/object sets, but we can live without via our own config management if there aren’t easy equivalents. No fancy needs at all, just small web server networks, so just need reliable eBGP and internal OSPF/OSPFv3. Thanks, David
