RE: [fyo...@insecure.org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmapwith malware!]

2011-12-06 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Maybe it's just me, but I would think that simply getting them listed on
stopbadware.org and other similar sites would probably have much more of an
effect.
The bad publicity can cause them to change tactics, but it takes some time.
I've seen much quicker results from blacklisting on Google and other search
engines.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
F: 610-429-3222


-Original Message-
From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:48 AM
To: andrew.wallace
Cc: fyo...@insecure.org; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [fyo...@insecure.org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling
Nmapwith malware!]

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:14:48 PST, andrew.wallace said:
 Using fruitful language and acting like a child isn't going to see you
taken seriously.

No, he *does* want fruitful language - one that produces results.  I think
you meant some other word instead.

As far as acting like a child, I'm reasonably sure that if CNet was doing
the same thing to the good name of your consulting company, you'd react
similarly.

 - Forwarded message from Fyodor fyo...@insecure.org

On the other hand, just being Fyodor is sufficient to get him taken
seriously.








Re: [fyo...@insecure.org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmapwith malware!]

2011-12-06 Thread Kyle Duren
http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/12/download-com-bundling-toolbars-trojans/


Its already getting some press...

He could always send them a Cease and Desist letter like Wireshark had to
do

-Kyle
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Eric Tykwinski eric-l...@truenet.comwrote:

 Maybe it's just me, but I would think that simply getting them listed on
 stopbadware.org and other similar sites would probably have much more of
 an
 effect.
 The bad publicity can cause them to change tactics, but it takes some time.
 I've seen much quicker results from blacklisting on Google and other search
 engines.

 Sincerely,

 Eric Tykwinski
 TrueNet, Inc.
 P: 610-429-8300
 F: 610-429-3222


 -Original Message-
 From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:48 AM
 To: andrew.wallace
 Cc: fyo...@insecure.org; nanog@nanog.org
 Subject: Re: [fyo...@insecure.org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling
 Nmapwith malware!]

 On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:14:48 PST, andrew.wallace said:
  Using fruitful language and acting like a child isn't going to see you
 taken seriously.

 No, he *does* want fruitful language - one that produces results.  I think
 you meant some other word instead.

 As far as acting like a child, I'm reasonably sure that if CNet was doing
 the same thing to the good name of your consulting company, you'd react
 similarly.

  - Forwarded message from Fyodor fyo...@insecure.org

 On the other hand, just being Fyodor is sufficient to get him taken
 seriously.









Re: [fyo...@insecure.org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmapwith malware!]

2011-12-06 Thread William Allen Simpson

On 12/6/11 12:00 PM, Eric Tykwinski wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but I would think that simply getting them listed on
stopbadware.org and other similar sites would probably have much more of an
effect.
The bad publicity can cause them to change tactics, but it takes some time.
I've seen much quicker results from blacklisting on Google and other search
engines.


I've reported it as a malware site via Firefox.  Have you?

But the whole site should be scanned for other/similar malware, and blocked
accordingly.  Probably a harder problem, as it gives different downloads
depending on browser and OS.



Re: [fyo...@insecure.org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmapwith malware!]

2011-12-06 Thread Steven Bellovin

On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:34 31PM, William Allen Simpson wrote:

 On 12/6/11 12:00 PM, Eric Tykwinski wrote:
 Maybe it's just me, but I would think that simply getting them listed on
 stopbadware.org and other similar sites would probably have much more of an
 effect.
 The bad publicity can cause them to change tactics, but it takes some time.
 I've seen much quicker results from blacklisting on Google and other search
 engines.
 
 I've reported it as a malware site via Firefox.  Have you?
 
 But the whole site should be scanned for other/similar malware, and blocked
 accordingly.  Probably a harder problem, as it gives different downloads
 depending on browser and OS.
 
 
Per the Krebs on Security link that Kyle just posted (and beat me to it),
the installer is already flagged as malware by a number of different scanners.


--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb