Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-09-02 Thread Paul Bennett
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:11:42 -0400, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote: The 16777214 IP addresses (give or take) in their 12/8 assignment aren't enough? Oh wait, it's probably used internally and renumbering to 10/8 would be too big a hurdle to take. ;-) The 12/8 address space is

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
folk should remember that ARIN publishes an RSS feed of allocations/deallocations... http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-issued/2012-August/001348.html (well, a mailing-list which has an rss feed... which reader.google seems to like just fine...) On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Otis L.

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread joel jaeggli
On 8/22/12 10:50 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: So I would say they've come into posession of a rather undesirable piece of IP address real-estate, as it were. The days when undesirability of a given ipv4 unicast prefix would play a significant role in assignment policy are pretty much coming to a

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Owen DeLong
would simple push more IPv6 if I were them. -Original Message- From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:37 AM To: Otis L. Surratt, Jr. Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated You can do a whois search at arin.net

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Blake Hudson
for this IP allocation. Heck, I would simple push more IPv6 if I were them. -Original Message- From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:37 AM To: Otis L. Surratt, Jr. Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated You can do a whois

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Jared Mauch
On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Blake Hudson bl...@ispn.net wrote: How does one suddenly justify needing 1,000,000 more IP addresses (explosive expected growth in the next couple months?) I can easily see people moving through those IPs in short order if you have a datacenter or other

RE: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
Message- From: Blake Hudson [mailto:bl...@ispn.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:04 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated I wonder if ATT will be returning some of those /16 and /15 allocations it has in return for the /12 - http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SIS

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 23, 2012, at 08:26 , Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote: IMO the justifcation is probably in other areas of their business like cloud services, data center, etc. Obvisouly, it was compelling enough to warrant ARIN's approval for allocation of the space in the last stretch

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/23/12 7:18 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Blake Hudson bl...@ispn.net wrote: How does one suddenly justify needing 1,000,000 more IP addresses (explosive expected growth in the next couple months?) I can easily see people moving through those IPs in short

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread joel jaeggli
On 8/23/12 10:57 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: I would really hope that wireless providers are planning for IPv6 instead, although a recent thread about Sprint LTE indicates maybe this is wishful thinking. I know Verizon is but the single LTE MiFi I have doesn't do IPv6, but I've seen customers with

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Ray Soucy
Funny, Saw this post come through this morning; then got call today for ASA configuration help ... I noticed the guy had configured his ASA to use private networks of 172.100.0.0/24 and 172.200.0.0/24 ... I reminded him that they don't fall within RFC1918 but the response was oh well, I don't

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Ray Soucy wrote: Funny, Saw this post come through this morning; then got call today for ASA configuration help ... I noticed the guy had configured his ASA to use private networks of 172.100.0.0/24 and 172.200.0.0/24 ... I reminded him that they don't fall within RFC1918

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Owen DeLong wrote: ATT should just be glad there was a /12 for them to get. That isn't going to be true for much longer. If you are counting on an IPv4 free pool to run your business next year, you are making a bad bet. The 16777214 IP addresses (give or take) in their 12/8 assignment

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
They do have a large managed VPN service where this shouldn't matter very much, just to throw another possible use case into the pot. On Aug 24, 2012 3:10 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Funny, Saw this post come through this morning; then got call today for ASA configuration help ... I

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread joel jaeggli
On 8/23/12 2:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Owen DeLong wrote: ATT should just be glad there was a /12 for them to get. That isn't going to be true for much longer. If you are counting on an IPv4 free pool to run your business next year, you are making a bad bet. The 16777214 IP addresses

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
joel jaeggli wrote: On 8/23/12 2:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: it's probably used internally and renumbering to 10/8 would be too big a hurdle to take. ;-) show route 12.0.0.0/8 ... That was mostly tongue in cheek. I was remembering the reasons people on here brought up why /8 legacy

RE: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
Dan, Can you provide a link to support this? If this is true, I wonder how this will work. Otis -Original Message- From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:24 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated 172.0.0.0-172.15.255.255 was

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread Willy Wong
whois on 172.0.0.0 will tell you On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote: Dan, Can you provide a link to support this? If this is true, I wonder how this will work. Otis -Original Message- From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net] Sent: Thursday,

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread David Miller
On 8/23/2012 1:29 AM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. wrote: Dan, Can you provide a link to support this? http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=172.0.0.0?showDetails=true If this is true, I wonder how this will work. Otis -Original Message- From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net] Sent:

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:29:22 -0500, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. said: Can you provide a link to support this? If this is true, I wonder how this will work. 172.0.0.0-172.15.255.255 was allocated on 2012-08-20 to ATT Internet Services. Why shouldn't it work? RFC1918 space is 172.16/12, there's no

RE: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
I've been working too long.in my mind I was seeing 127.0.0.0 which I was like wow a violation. -Original Message- From: Willy Wong [mailto:willy...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:32 AM To: Otis L. Surratt, Jr. Cc: Dan White; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 172.0.0.0/12

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread Dan White
You can do a whois search at arin.net to see the allocation. 172.0.0.0/12 is often confused with the private 172.16.0.0/12 address space, which I would consider a 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' allocation. I also noticed a couple of subnets in that range showing up in the weekly Cidr

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread Owen DeLong
owen.delong.com:owen /home4/owen (102) % whois -h whois.arin.net 172.0.0.0 [Querying whois.arin.net] [whois.arin.net] # # Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be: # n 172.0.0.0 # # Use ? to get help. # # # The following results may also be obtained via: #

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread Andrey Slastenov
Why do you think it doesn't work? Отправлено с iPhone 23.08.2012, в 9:29, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com написал(а): Dan, Can you provide a link to support this? If this is true, I wonder how this will work. Otis -Original Message- From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net]

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread George Herbert
On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Dan White dwh...@olp.net wrote: I also noticed a couple of subnets in that range showing up in the weekly Cidr reports, beginning in July. Tests to see how bad /8 filters were before allocating the /12? Just curious... George William Herbert Sent from my

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 8/23/12, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:29:22 -0500, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. said: 172.0.0.0-172.15.255.255 was allocated on 2012-08-20 to ATT Internet Services. Why shouldn't it work? RFC1918 space is 172.16/12, there's no overlap. I know that,

RE: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-22 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
. Heck, I would simple push more IPv6 if I were them. -Original Message- From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:37 AM To: Otis L. Surratt, Jr. Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated You can do a whois search at arin.net