Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-08-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:06:22 am Greg Whynott wrote: it works, i see folks creating networks of hosts under ESXi protected by an ASA instance.. not for production.I'm sure its not legal but Cisco doesn't seem to have a strong stand on it, I'd think as long as you are using it

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-08-04 Thread Xavier Beaudouin
Le 4 août 2010 à 15:14, Mirko Maffioli a écrit : 2010/7/25 Laurens Vets laur...@daemon.be: Cisco PIX: no, Cisco ASA: yes. It even runs under VMware... It's however very hackish... :) Cisco ASA under VMware?? :| CiscoASA is based on x86, there is no reasons you cannot run this into

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-08-04 Thread Daryl G. Jurbala
On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Xavier Beaudouin wrote: Le 4 août 2010 à 15:14, Mirko Maffioli a écrit : 2010/7/25 Laurens Vets laur...@daemon.be: Cisco PIX: no, Cisco ASA: yes. It even runs under VMware... It's however very hackish... :) Cisco ASA under VMware?? :| CiscoASA is based

RE: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-08-04 Thread Mike Walter
for some of their products like they did for the Nexus 1000V. -Mike -Original Message- From: Daryl G. Jurbala [mailto:da...@introspect.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: Xavier Beaudouin Cc: nanog Subject: Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:53 AM

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-08-04 Thread Greg Whynott
it works, i see folks creating networks of hosts under ESXi protected by an ASA instance.. not for production.I'm sure its not legal but Cisco doesn't seem to have a strong stand on it, I'd think as long as you are using it for educational use and not commercial, they may not care a

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-08-04 Thread Curtis Maurand
On 8/4/2010 9:53 AM, Xavier Beaudouin wrote: Le 4 août 2010 à 15:14, Mirko Maffioli a écrit : 2010/7/25 Laurens Vetslaur...@daemon.be: Cisco PIX: no, Cisco ASA: yes. It even runs under VMware... It's however very hackish... :) Cisco ASA under VMware?? :| CiscoASA is

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-08-04 Thread Greg Whynott
out with Virtual Appliances for some of their products like they did for the Nexus 1000V. -Mike -Original Message- From: Daryl G. Jurbala [mailto:da...@introspect.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: Xavier Beaudouin Cc: nanog Subject: Re: Appliance Vs Software

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-07-25 Thread Jack Bates
Tarig Yassin wrote: What is the main deferent between Appliance router and Software based routers? I believe the main difference is the ability to handle features at line rate speeds. The more interfaces/speed + CoS/ACL, the harder it is for a software based router to keep up. Jack

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-07-25 Thread Adrian Chadd
The official answer: commodity hardware doesn't handle all the features needed at line rate. The (more often than not) unofficial answer: using a custom platform raises the entry barrier for cloning/abuse/etc. It's a bit hard to run your appliance MIPS software on an off-the-shelf PC; but it

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-07-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:20:43 +0300, Tarig Yassin said: I'm wondering why the software based router is not preferable in business Sorry, but you've gone wrong already. You can't ask why something is true until you first establish that the something is in fact true. There are *plenty* of

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-07-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 25, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Jack Bates wrote: Tarig Yassin wrote: What is the main deferent between Appliance router and Software based routers? I believe the main difference is the ability to handle features at line rate speeds. The more interfaces/speed + CoS/ACL, the harder it is

RE: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-07-25 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
I'm wondering why the software based router is not preferable in business even if they have high featured Processers, and high capcity of memory. It may be helpful before proceeding if you provide some examples of each, so we can understand your definition of a 'appliance' vs 'software

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-07-25 Thread todd glassey
On 7/25/2010 9:07 AM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: I'm wondering why the software based router is not preferable in business even if they have high featured Processers, and high capcity of memory. It may be helpful before proceeding if you provide some examples of each, so we can understand your

RE: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-07-25 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
They are all software based routers... It really shouldn't matter whether an Appliance Application (i.e. some routing program is running on a minimal runtime environment ) or a routing program is running as part of an OS or as an Application on an OS. It is all Software until it becomes

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

2010-07-25 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Tarig Yassin tariq198...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm wondering why the software based router is not preferable in business even if they have high featured Processers, and high capcity of memory. What is the main deferent between Appliance router and Software based