Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread Marc Storck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Andreas Larsen andreas.lar...@ip-only.se wrote: There is one setup where you would need default route from your provider. If you have no IBGP between two sites and your prefix is a large /16 on side and maybe a /18 from

RE: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread Adam Greene
Subject: Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Andreas Larsen andreas.lar...@ip-only.se wrote: There is one setup where you would need default route from your provider. If you have no IBGP between two sites

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Nov 4, 2014, at 10:49 PM, Andreas Larsen andreas.lar...@ip-only.se wrote: There is one setup where you would need default route from your provider. That may be true, but this isn’t it… If you have no IBGP between two sites and your prefix is a large /16 on side and maybe a /18 from

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Berry Mobley be...@gadsdenst.org wrote: I'm wondering how many of you who are multihomed also add default routes pointing to your providers from whom you are receiving full feeds. If so, why? If not, why not? Back when I worked for the DNC we ran into a

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread Fred
Long time I had the same opinion, however, if someone operates a network with multiple upstream providers the operator should be able to afford a proper out of band console access which solves this issue completely. I would only accept a default route on Uplinks where I am only receiving a

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Blake Hudson
I often opt to leave one or more default routes configured with low priority (lower than BGP). The thinking is that if there is a fault with BGP, the router will still operate and the fault can be corrected remotely (in-band). The downside is that I might pass traffic for non-existing

RE: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Mike Walter
I have 5 providers and we get the default from all of them and full routing tables. I have seen cases where if there is no default route, the traffic didn't know where to go, even with full routes from all my providers. -Mike -Original Message- From: NANOG

RE: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Naslund, Steve
I can tell you that I do not do that. Typically if my BGP connectivity to a carrier fails I would prefer we don't route anything their way until we get that resolved because it might indicate a circuit that is up but unable to pass traffic (very common with carrier Ethernet especially). It

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Jared Mauch
On Nov 4, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Mike Walter mwal...@3z.net wrote: I have 5 providers and we get the default from all of them and full routing tables. I have seen cases where if there is no default route, the traffic didn't know where to go, even with full routes from all my providers.

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Berry Mobley be...@gadsdenst.org wrote: I'm wondering how many of you who are multihomed also add default routes pointing to your providers from whom you are receiving full feeds. Back when I was in the ISP world I installed a default route pointing to a data

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Owen DeLong
Usually, when this is done, it is an adjunct to providing connectivity fast while the table is loading on a connection reset. Owen On Nov 4, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Berry Mobley be...@gadsdenst.org wrote: I'm wondering how many of you who are multihomed also add default routes pointing to your

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Owen DeLong
It seems in such a case, the traffic still doesn’t know where to go, but you don’t realize it because you have a default. Then you pass the traffic to one of the providers who doesn’t have a route for it and they drop it instead of you. If you see something different, then, by definition, said

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Chris Rogers
We don't accept a default from anyone, but will send one to a customer when specifically requested. We heavily filter all incoming routes (bogon, 1918, and many others). We don't want data resorting to 0/0 and ::/0 when we specifically rejected the matching route at the import policy.

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, November 04, 2014 07:47:21 PM Berry Mobley wrote: I'm wondering how many of you who are multihomed also add default routes pointing to your providers from whom you are receiving full feeds. If so, why? If not, why not? We filter out default routes from our upstreams, but many

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Andreas Larsen
There is one setup where you would need default route from your provider. If you have no IBGP between two sites and your prefix is a large /16 on side and maybe a /18 from that /16 on another site. These site would not be able to talk to each other if you orginate from the same AS. Other than