On Thu, 24 Nov 2011, Seth Mos wrote:
Hi,
Op 24 nov 2011, om 21:09 heeft Joel jaeggli het volgende geschreven:
On 11/21/11 14:18 , Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
Look at the number that are refusing to make generous prefix
allocations
to residential end users and limiting them to /56, /60, or
On 11/21/11 14:18 , Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
Look at the number that are refusing to make generous prefix
allocations
to residential end users and limiting them to /56, /60, or even worse,
/64.
Owen,
What does Joe Sixpack do at home with a /48 that he cannot do with a /56 or a
/60?
Hi,
Op 24 nov 2011, om 21:09 heeft Joel jaeggli het volgende geschreven:
On 11/21/11 14:18 , Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
Look at the number that are refusing to make generous prefix
allocations
to residential end users and limiting them to /56, /60, or even worse,
/64.
Owen,
What does Joe
Nathan Eisenberg nat...@atlasnetworks.us writes:
What does Joe Sixpack do at home with a /48 that he cannot do with a
/56 or a /60?
What does Joe's ISPack save the missing bits for?
Bjørn
On Monday 21 Nov 2011 20:27:55 Owen DeLong wrote:
I suspect that mDNS/Rendezvous will become much more widespread in
the IPv6 household and will become the primary service discovery
mechanism. It actually works quite well and is relatively resilient to
either frequent renumbering or the
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Seth Mos seth@dds.nl wrote:
What is bewildering to me is that each time the system establishes a new
PPPoE session to the ISP they assign a different IPv6 prefix via
delegation together with a differing IPv4 address for the WAN.
Is this going to be
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
As long as a static allocation can be billed as a premium service,
most providers will unfortunately do it.
Exactly. ISPs are in business to make as much money as they can - go figure.
For myself, having a static IP is the least of
Hello,
On 11/21/11 16:21, Seth Mos wrote:
Hello List,
As a pfSense developer I recently ran into a test system that (actually)
gets a IPv6 prefix from it's ISP. (Hurrah).
What is bewildering to me is that each time the system establishes a new
PPPoE session to the ISP they assign a
Worst case, you can always get an IPv6 static /48 from at least one provider
without any additional cost.
Owen
On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Ray Soucy wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Seth Mos seth@dds.nl wrote:
What is bewildering to me is that each time the system establishes a
snip
On 22 Nov 2011, at 13:38, Joel Maslak wrote:
1) Not having IPv6 at all. I expect to get it on my DSL in about 10 years or
so when the equipment my line on is old enough to be replaced under a 15 or
20 year replacement cycle.
2) Bandwidth caps probably affect people a lot more than
On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Joel Maslak wrote:
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
As long as a static allocation can be billed as a premium service,
most providers will unfortunately do it.
Exactly. ISPs are in business to make as much money as they can - go
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:19:25 PST, Owen DeLong said:
On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Joel Maslak wrote:
Exactly. ISPs are in business to make as much money as they can - go
figure.
How do you make more money by refusing to meet customer requests?
I could understand how it MIGHT make more
3) If you write an application using anything other than UDP or TCP,
it won't work on most networks (with some minor exceptions for PPTP
and IPSEC, which work sometimes).
This hasn't been my experience unless you're behind some form of NAT.
Yes, it is well known that NAT breaks most
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:36 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
A number of providers seem to be doing just fine with that business model
over on the IPv4 side of the fence. And since they're usually a
near-monopoly in their service area, angry customers aren't likely to
actually vote
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:36 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:19:25 PST, Owen DeLong said:
On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Joel Maslak wrote:
Exactly. ISPs are in business to make as much money as they can - go
figure.
How do you make more money by refusing to meet
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Exactly. ISPs are in business to make as much money as they can - go figure.
How do you make more money by refusing to meet customer requests?
Not rocket science. The vast majority of customers fall into a small number of
categories. You make
Owen DeLong o...@delong.com naively wrote:
On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Joel Maslak wrote:
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
As long as a static allocation can be billed as a premium service,
most providers will unfortunately do it.
Exactly. ISPs are
3) If you write an application using anything other than UDP or TCP, it
won't work on most networks (with some minor exceptions for PPTP and IPSEC,
which work sometimes).
This hasn't been my experience unless you're behind some form of NAT. Yes,
it is well known that NAT breaks most
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:43:35 PST, Owen DeLong said:
Not sure why you'd blame Microsoft. HTTP{,S} is increasingly looking to be
the real IPng.
Perhaps because they have done more than any other vendor to enable/encourage
this trend?
Actually, I'd nominate the creator of the PIX firewall
On Nov 22, 2011, at 12:30 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:43:35 PST, Owen DeLong said:
Not sure why you'd blame Microsoft. HTTP{,S} is increasingly looking to be
the real IPng.
Perhaps because they have done more than any other vendor to
enable/encourage this
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On Nov 22, 2011, at 1:30 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:43:35 PST, Owen DeLong said:
Not sure why you'd blame Microsoft. HTTP{,S} is
Seth Mos seth@dds.nl writes:
Hello List,
As a pfSense developer I recently ran into a test system that (actually)
gets a IPv6 prefix from it's ISP. (Hurrah).
What is bewildering to me is that each time the system establishes a new
PPPoE session to the ISP they assign a different IPv6
On 21/11/2011 16:33, Bjørn Mork wrote:
But you should be prepared to handle the situation anyway.
s/be prepared to handle the situation/plan to handle this as default/
Nick
On Nov 21, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Seth Mos wrote:
Hello List,
As a pfSense developer I recently ran into a test system that (actually)
gets a IPv6 prefix from it's ISP. (Hurrah).
What is bewildering to me is that each time the system establishes a new
PPPoE session to the ISP they assign a
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:27:55PM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
Unfortunately, there are some ISPs that believe this is the right thing to do.
Some go so far as to claim that scrambling customer prefixes is a mechanism
to help insure customer privacy.
s/ISPs/governments, privacy people and
On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Daniel Roesen wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:27:55PM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
Unfortunately, there are some ISPs that believe this is the right thing to
do.
Some go so far as to claim that scrambling customer prefixes is a mechanism
to help insure customer
Look at the number that are refusing to make generous prefix
allocations
to residential end users and limiting them to /56, /60, or even worse,
/64.
Owen,
What does Joe Sixpack do at home with a /48 that he cannot do with a /56 or a
/60?
Nathan
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 22:18, Nathan Eisenberg nat...@atlasnetworks.us wrote:
Look at the number that are refusing to make generous prefix
allocations
to residential end users and limiting them to /56, /60, or even worse,
/64.
Owen,
What does Joe Sixpack do at home with a /48 that he
What does Joe Sixpack do at home with a /48 that he cannot do with a
/56 or a /60?
Flexibility. With dhcpv6 prefix delegation, you are going to want
devices
to be able to request (at least) /60s for further delegation (and
better yet
/56s to allow them to delegate /60s with further
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On Nov 21, 2011, at 14:18, Nathan Eisenberg nat...@atlasnetworks.us wrote:
Look at the number that are refusing to make generous prefix
allocations
to residential end users and limiting them to /56, /60, or even worse,
/64.
Owen,
What does Joe Sixpack do at home
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