Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread Paul WALL
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote: The FCC is structured in such a way that the chairman calls all the shots on policy matters. In this instance, the former chairman, Kevin Martin, was responsible for the Comcast order but the current chairman, Julius

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Paul WALL pauldotw...@gmail.com wrote: It should probably be noted, for purpose of establishing bias, that Richard is a Washington lobbyist, hired to represent Comcast on regulatory matters.  What he views as overstepping legal bounds, others may view as

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread Richard Bennett
One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've been working part-time with a Washington think tank in an analyst capacity, not as a lobbyist, and not on the Comcast

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 4/12/10 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett wrote: ... the guy who wrote the first IEEE 802 standard for Ethernet over twisted pair ... I'm certain that's who you are. Hell, what I do for CORE means I'm a ICANN lobbyist when I'm not writing code, and I'd prefer to be the guy who wrote XPG/1 and XPG/4.2

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread Paul WALL
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote: One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've been working part-time with a Washington think

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread David Andersen
On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Paul WALL wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote: One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread Richard Bennett
You're speculating that ITIF gets funding from Comcast, and therefore guessing I'm singing Comcast's song. But you don't know whether Comcast actually is an ITIF sponsor, just as you don't know whether Google, Intel, and Microsoft are ITIF sponsors. And then you're speculating again

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread James Downs
On Apr 12, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Richard Bennett wrote: You're speculating that ITIF gets funding from Comcast, and therefore If only the ITIF released information about their funding sources. So, does Comcast contribute funds or otherwise sponsor ITIF? Does Google, Intel, or Microsoft?

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread Stonix Farstone
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.comwrote: One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially regarding my occupation. For the last 9 months or so I've been working part-time with a Washington think

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-12 Thread Richard Bennett
Thanks for pointing that out. RB On 4/12/2010 2:06 PM, Stonix Farstone wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Richard Bennett [1]rich...@bennett.com wrote: One of the things I like about e-mail lists is learning things about myself that I never knew before, especially

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-10 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/10/2010 06:36, Roderick Beck wrote: I would characterize the US as a first rate military and economic power, but a third rate place to live. What are the net emigration rates by country? What are the net medical tourism rates by country? What are the net disaster charity rates by

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-10 Thread Patrick Giagnocavo
Larry Sheldon wrote: On 4/10/2010 06:36, Roderick Beck wrote: I would characterize the US as a first rate military and economic power, but a third rate place to live. What are the net emigration rates by country? What are the net medical tourism rates by country? What are the net

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-10 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/10/2010 09:19, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: Larry Sheldon wrote: On 4/10/2010 06:36, Roderick Beck wrote: Please, let's keep this off the NANOG list! I am already on a politically oriented forum. Got it. It is OK to make accusations, but not OK to challenge them. My apologies. --

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-10 Thread Jason Plank
Yawn. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: On 4/10/2010 09:19, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: Larry Sheldon wrote: On 4/10/2010 06:36, Roderick Beck wrote: Please, let's keep this off the NANOG list! I am already on a politically

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-10 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Apr 9, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: I believe you are doing a disservice to the FCC by making these inflammatory statements. And here I thought I was defending them for being different better than the last group. The point is, joe asked about the FCC that made a ruling. The

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring, Comcast

2010-04-10 Thread Richard Bennett
The FCC is structured in such a way that the chairman calls all the shots on policy matters. In this instance, the former chairman, Kevin Martin, was responsible for the Comcast order but the current chairman, Julius Genachowski, had to defend it in court. Some wags insist that the defense was

RE: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-09 Thread Rod Beck
. Gilmore Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/90747-fcc-dealt-major-blow-in-net-neutrality-ruling-favoring-comcast Seems on-topic, even though policy related.

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-09 Thread joe mcguckin
known that the District Court is dominated by anti-regulatory judges. -Original Message- From: Michael Holstein [mailto:michael.holst...@csuohio.edu] Sent: Tue 4/6/2010 7:40 PM To: Patrick W. Gilmore Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-09 Thread Fred Baker
On Apr 7, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Mark Smith wrote: One thing which would significantly help this argument for or against Network Neutrality is defining exactly what it is. The FCC has a definition of sorts, in terms of its six principles. Page three of

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-09 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
: Tue 4/6/2010 7:40 PM To: Patrick W. Gilmore Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/90747-fcc-dealt-major-blow-in-net-neutrality-ruling-favoring-comcast Seems on-topic, even though

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-09 Thread Jared Mauch
On Apr 9, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Apr 9, 2010, at 5:22 PM, joe mcguckin wrote: Let me see if I understand this correctly. People are defending the FCC? The same FCC that ruled that any data service over 200Kbits was broadband, not Information Service and thus

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/9/2010 16:22, joe mcguckin wrote: Let me see if I understand this correctly. People are defending the FCC? After looking at who they elect, why does that surprise? The same FCC that ruled that any data service over 200Kbits was broadband, not Information Service and thus came under

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-07 Thread Mark Smith
On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 11:30:16 -0400 Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/90747-fcc-dealt-major-blow-in-net-neutrality-ruling-favoring-comcast Seems on-topic, even though policy related. It seems to me that Net Neutrality has been

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-07 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 08:21, Mark Smith na...@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org wrote: snip So, there's the problem. According to the above, I'm both for, and against, Network Neutrality. One thing which would significantly help this argument for or against Network

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-07 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.com wrote: They are now using the phrase Open Internetworking to describe their stance on the issue. How very sensible of ISOC. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.li...@gmail.com)

Re: FCC dealt major blow in net neutrality ruling favoring Comcast

2010-04-06 Thread Michael Holstein
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/90747-fcc-dealt-major-blow-in-net-neutrality-ruling-favoring-comcast Seems on-topic, even though policy related. Between that and the ACTA foolishness .. seems to be a good time to get into the VPN business. /rant Michael Holstein