Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:03:00 -0700
To: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.
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toddlers around and drive to and from work. An SUV in almost all cases
is added luxury.
My SUV carries seven passengers and allows me to haul
On 6/22/11 3:07 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
Your average person cares a whole lot less about what's crossing their
Internet connection than they care about whether or not this works
than I do.
I continue to be amazed at the quality of Netflix video coming across
the wire. Our local cable company
Joe Greco wrote:
toddlers around and drive to and from work. An SUV in almost all cases
is added luxury.
My SUV carries seven passengers and allows me to haul gear including
conduit, lumber, ladders, etc. It's actively dangerous to do some of
these things in a sedan.
Hence I said in almost
On 6/22/2011 14:33, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
I agree, the whole use of the terms 'need' and 'want' in this conversation
are
ridiculous. It's the Internet. The entire thing isn't a 'need'. It's not
like life
support or something that will cause loss of life if it isn't there. The
only
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 05:47:18PM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 6/22/2011 14:33, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
I agree, the whole use of the terms 'need' and 'want' in this conversation
are
ridiculous. It's the Internet. The entire thing isn't a 'need'. It's
not like life
support or
to create a strong 'want' (some may choose to call it a
'need') for higher speed brodband, and symmetrical speeds.
- Erik
-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen [mailto:se...@rollernet.us]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:52 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet
Joe Greco wrote:
that things are changing. The number of TV's in a household are going
up. Some can now stream directly to the TV. I have numerous devices
How can it go up even more? I thought every bedroom and living room has
one by now, in the average family house. In my experience
Steven Bellovin wrote:
When I was in grad school, the director of the computer center (remember
those) felt that there was no need for 1200 bps modems -- 300 bps was
fine, since no one could read the scrolling output any faster than that
anyway.
Right now, I'm running an rsync job to back up my
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
If you have a 100 mbps broadband connection and your toddlers are slowing
down your video conference call with your boss by watching the newest Dexter
(hah!). Then your *need* can be easily satisfied by telling your
On 6/22/11 12:48 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
Steven Bellovin wrote:
When I was in grad school, the director of the computer center (remember
those) felt that there was no need for 1200 bps modems -- 300 bps was
fine, since no one could read the scrolling output any faster
Landon Stewart wrote:
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
If you have a 100 mbps broadband connection and your toddlers are slowing
down your video conference call with your boss by watching the newest Dexter
(hah!). Then your *need* can be easily
If you have a 100mbps video connection and you can't handle a video
conference in parallel with Dexter you may have bigger issues. :)
-Hammer-
On 06/22/2011 03:45 PM, Michael Painter wrote:
Landon Stewart wrote:
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net
wrote:
If
Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.
On 6/22/11 12:48 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
Steven Bellovin wrote:
When I was in grad school, the director of the computer center
(remember
those) felt that there was no need for 1200 bps modems -- 300 bps was
fine, since no one
Joe Greco wrote:
that things are changing. The number of TV's in a household are going
up. Some can now stream directly to the TV. I have numerous devices
How can it go up even more? I thought every bedroom and living room has
one by now, in the average family house.
That's not
On Jun 22, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
Joe Greco wrote:
that things are changing. The number of TV's in a household are going
up. Some can now stream directly to the TV. I have numerous devices
How can it go up even more? I thought every bedroom and living room has one
life safety systems run over the internet and pstn all the time if you want to
talk about need.
Replace need with business requirement, and you're most of the way there...
This discussion was going on this list 10-15 years ago and the numbers being
squabled over were three orders of magnitude
I agree, the whole use of the terms 'need' and 'want' in this conversation are
ridiculous. It's the Internet. The entire thing isn't a 'need'. It's not
like life
support or something that will cause loss of life if it isn't there. The
only thing
to even discuss here is 'want'. Yes,
Be that as it may, I don't think current methods and techniques in use =
will scale well to fully replace antennas, satellite and cable to =
provide tv and radio signals.
=20
(remembering for example the recent discussion about multicast)
=20
They won't, but, that's not what consumers
This discussion was going on this list 10-15 years ago and the numbers
being squabled over were three orders of magnitude lower then they are
today.
and will be discussed again when the numbers are orders of magnitude
greater than they are now. i think we should keep a pointer to this
thread
Owen DeLong wrote:
If you don't believe that consumer content acquisition is shifting away from
traditional methods towards internet-oriented mechanisms rapidly, you haven't
been paying attention to the bandwidth growth at Netflix as just one example.
Hulu, Youtube, and even the various
On 23/06/2011, at 8:07 AM, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote:
Be that as it may, I don't think current methods and techniques in use =
will scale well to fully replace antennas, satellite and cable to =
provide tv and radio signals.
=20
(remembering for example the recent discussion about
On Jun 22, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
Owen DeLong wrote:
We're going to have to either find a way to convince consumers to change
direction, or, we're going to have to develop new methods and techniques
that will scale to fully replace antennas, satellite, and cable because
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:48, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net said:
I need 100Mbs at home because I want to see a streamed movie NOW, not
in a month because someone considers broadband a luxury :)
Pretty simple usage scenario I might
* 2.5GPON isn't symmetric.
* DSL and cable can be symmetric.
* Business reasons - providers don't want you hosting content at home,
they want you hosting content in their data centers so they can charge
for that space. So when a provider gets a 100/100 from a telco, it uses
90/10 dl to feed
- Original Message -
From: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net
Well, the OTA providers are doing it to the network feeds first, so I
don't see focusing on the cable providers doing it to the OTA providers
as the sole source of quality issues. The OTA providers also reencode
to add bugs,
On 6/12/11 2:22 AM, Don Gould wrote:
100mbit is not luxury, it's something my business needs all it's
customers to have to drive more uptake of my services.
My customers already have 10/1 today. Now I need them to have 100/40 so
they have a reason to buy other CPE that in turn drives my
Once upon a time, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com said:
TTBOMK, no, the affils don't actually reencode the whole feed; there are
boxes these days that can insert your bug without trashing the rest of
the stream -- and I think their contract with the network *requires* them
to run their primary
On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Christopher J. Pilkington wrote:
On Jun 11, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roy wrote:
On 6/11/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Pilkington wrote:
Options seem to be limited to HughesNet and dial for the moment, but
things may change if I put a tower on the property. HughesNet
On 12/06/2011 1:42 a.m., Lynda wrote:
Mostly, I've just ignored this,
As do I with most treads on this list. However I found the link in the
OP's post offensive on so many different levels that I choose to put
some comment in with a great deal of subtly and hopefully a little humour.
On 12/06/2011 1:02 p.m., Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 11, 2011, at 15:16, Jeroen van Aartjer...@mompl.net wrote:
Randy Bush wrote:
some of us try to get work done from home. and anyone who has worked
and/or lived in a first world country thinks american 'broadband' speeds
are a joke, even for
100mbit is not luxury, it's something my business needs all it's
customers to have to drive more uptake of my services.
My customers already have 10/1 today. Now I need them to have 100/40 so
they have a reason to buy other CPE that in turn drives my business.
See:
On 6/12/11 1:04 PM, Christopher J. Pilkington wrote:
On Jun 11, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roy wrote:
On 6/11/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Pilkington wrote:
Options seem to be limited to HughesNet and dial for the moment, but
things may change if I put a tower on the property. HughesNet seems to
relax
Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.
On Jun 11, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roy wrote:
On 6/11/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Pilkington wrote:
Options seem to be limited to HughesNet and dial for the moment, but
things may change if I put a tower on the property. HughesNet seems
to relax it's
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:04:46AM -0600, Christopher J. Pilkington wrote:
On Jun 11, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roy wrote:
On 6/11/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Pilkington wrote:
Options seem to be limited to HughesNet and dial for the moment, but
things may change if I put a tower on the property.
; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.
On 6/12/11 1:04 PM, Christopher J. Pilkington wrote:
On Jun 11, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roy wrote:
On 6/11/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Pilkington wrote:
Options seem to be limited to HughesNet and dial for the moment, but
things may change
On June 11, 2011 at 20:53 jle...@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote:
Have you heard the joke...ISDN = I Still Don't kNow? For whatever reason,
BRI service is something the US telcos apparently never really wanted to
sell...perhaps because it might have cut into their T1 business.
FWIW,
of an
option.
When I called ATT to order the ISDN line years ago, their answer was - Huh,
What, Do we sell that.
-Original Message-
From: Barry Shein [mailto:b...@world.std.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:03 PM
To: Jon Lewis
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.
On June
list
Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.
On June 11, 2011 at 20:53 jle...@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote:
Have you heard the joke...ISDN = I Still Don't kNow? For whatever
reason, BRI service is something the US telcos apparently never really
wanted to sell...perhaps because
On 6/10/2011 7:04 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
The
Internet is now more important than electricity or water --
This being a silly Sunday, I'm rolling that around on my tongue and savoring it
a bit.
While the image of a desiccated user, still typing away, is appealing -- but
possibly not all
Once upon a time, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com said:
The attraction of DSL was, among other things, that it was nailed down
to one and only one service provider, you couldn't just dial some
other provider like with ISDN.
When BellSouth switched their DSL from PVC-per-customer to PPPoE, it
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 01:16, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
Randy Bush wrote:
some of us try to get work done from home. and anyone who has worked
and/or lived in a first world country thinks american 'broadband' speeds
are a joke, even for a home network.
I understand, but I
Once upon a time, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net said:
I need 100Mbs at home because I want to see a streamed movie NOW, not
in a month because someone considers broadband a luxury :)
Pretty simple usage scenario I might say.
The top profile for Blu-Ray is 36 megabits per second, and that
When BellSouth switched their DSL from PVC-per-customer to PPPoE
I remember having to compress the config due to static pvc config on many of
7204/6 kit, the switch made it much more intuitive to manage.
--
m
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Once upon a
- Original Message -
From: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net
The top profile for Blu-Ray is 36 megabits per second, and that is
not used on most titles. Over-the-air HDTV is 19 megabits or less.
Cable HD channels are often only 12-15 megabits per second.
Chris glances off, but doesn't
Once upon a time, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com said:
- Original Message -
From: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net
The top profile for Blu-Ray is 36 megabits per second, and that is
not used on most titles. Over-the-air HDTV is 19 megabits or less.
Cable HD channels are often only
dcroc...@bbiw.net wrote:
While the image of a desiccated user, still typing away, is appealing --
but possibly not all that remarkable, given recent reports of Internet
addiction -- what's especially tasty is the idea of having an Internet
connection that works without electricity...
About
When we first read about the noise issues in the area we invested a large
sum of capital in an RD facility to developed electronic cow bells that
have integrated GPS in them so the cow knows where it is and can simply turn
the bell off. The bells are now under manufacture in China and we
Dear Mr J,
Many thanks for your attention and focus on the issues.
I do hope that the author of the link in the OPs post has had his
attention drawn to my series of posts.
You have demonstrated in less then half a dozen posts that the article
author simply isn't getting off his butt and
Ricardo Ferreira wrote:
Funny, how in the title refers to the Internet globally when the article is
specific about the USA.
I live in europe and we have at home 100Mbps . Mid sized city of 500k
people. Some ISPs even spread WiFi across town so that subscribers can have
internet access outside
Though it's nice to have why would one *need* 100 Mbps at home?
some of us try to get work done from home. and anyone who has worked
and/or lived in a first world country thinks american 'broadband' speeds
are a joke, even for a home network.
randy
some of us try to get work done from home. and anyone who has worked
and/or lived in a first world country thinks american 'broadband' speeds
are a joke, even for a home network.
amen
-J
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 02:34:10AM -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
Ricardo Ferreira wrote:
Funny, how in the title refers to the Internet globally when the article is
specific about the USA.
I live in europe and we have at home 100Mbps . Mid sized city of 500k
people. Some ISPs even spread
On 11/06/2011 9:34 p.m., Jeroen van Aart wrote:
I don't regard simultaneously streaming 6 channels of TV and downloading
the latest movie torrent in 2 minutes as a basic necessity, let alone
essential.
100/40 isn't about 6 channels of TV and even less about torrents.
It's about BIR not CIR.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 02:34:10AM -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
Though it's nice to have why would one *need* 100 Mbps at home? I
Residential broadband is asymmetric, so it's typically more like
6/100 MBit/s, though VDSL and FTTH are also making (slow) progress.
Even with that slow upstream
On Jun 11, 2011, at 1:54 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
IIRC in the several years I
had ISDN service, my bill was never exactly the same amount two
consecutive months (and I never had any usage charges, so it wasn't
because of that).
I upgraded several years ago to ISDN at home to move the D-A
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 05:34, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
Ricardo Ferreira wrote:
Funny, how in the title refers to the Internet globally when the article
is
specific about the USA.
I live in europe and we have at home 100Mbps . Mid sized city of 500k
people. Some ISPs even
nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 05:34, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
Ricardo Ferreira wrote:
Funny, how in the title refers to the Internet globally when the article
is
specific about the USA.
I live in europe and we have at home
On 6/11/2011 1:59 AM, Don Gould wrote:
Your responses clearly demonstrate by asking a few simple questions, and
allowing those with a few clues to be creative, that there are any
number of ways to get things done if you really want to perhaps this
is a new concept for people in rural
I don't regard simultaneously streaming 6 channels of TV and downloading
the latest movie torrent in 2 minutes as a basic necessity, let alone
essential.
Ten years ago, most people would have been shocked at the idea of a
cell phone that had a touchscreen, a 600MHz CPU, 16GB flash, and the
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 05:34, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
Though it's nice to have why would one *need* 100 Mbps at home?
The essential point is: if people have the bandwidth, they fill it,
sometimes with uses we haven't dreamed up yet. In the USA at least,
creativity and
Also, the telcos generally made getting a BRI difficult to impossible.
An early string of Dilbert cartoons covered Dilbert's attempts to get
ISDN at his house, and IIRC they were based on Scott Adams' real-life
attempts (and this was either when or shortly after he worked for the
phone company).
On Jun 11, 2011, at 2:34 AM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
Though it's nice to have why would one *need* 100 Mbps at home?
640K ought to be enough for anybody -- Bill Gates
Regards,
-drc
On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:34 10AM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
Ricardo Ferreira wrote:
Funny, how in the title refers to the Internet globally when the article is
specific about the USA.
I live in europe and we have at home 100Mbps . Mid sized city of 500k
people. Some ISPs even spread WiFi across
Randy Bush wrote:
some of us try to get work done from home. and anyone who has worked
and/or lived in a first world country thinks american 'broadband' speeds
are a joke, even for a home network.
I understand, but I was referring to the average home internet
connection. But even for work
Don Gould wrote:
100/40 isn't about 6 channels of TV and even less about torrents.
It's about BIR not CIR.
It's about dropping my HD video recorder, with 2 hours of random video
recorded at todays 'family birthday party', on its 'hot shoe' and it
All these new gadgets will drive the need
Eugen Leitl wrote:
It definitely reduces need for moving human bodies in metal boxes
back and forth, and reduces road wear and carbon dioxide emissions.
I think a world of telecommuting employees is a utopia that will not be
reached in my lifetime. Most companies have proven to be unwilling
On Jun 11, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
Eugen Leitl wrote:
It definitely reduces need for moving human bodies in metal boxes
back and forth, and reduces road wear and carbon dioxide emissions.
I think a world of telecommuting employees is a utopia that will not be
reached in
On Jun 11, 2011, at 19:00, TR Shaw ts...@oitc.com wrote:
I'm not sure where this thread is going but rural america and rural canada
are rolling their own broadband connectivity in places.
This is my eventual goal where I'm moving. (Oswego Co., NY).
I'm well aware that I'm moving outside of
But this is all luxury, it's not the fulfillment of a basic need and
even a right (as proclaimed by the UN). It's going above and beyond
that, which is fine, but it's not *needed* in the sense of survival and
being able to further yourself in life and career.
A smartphone may be a luxury.
- Original Message -
From: Jay Murphy, DOH jay.mur...@state.nm.us
The umbra of it all. We have jobs though.
Not all of us.
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think
- Original Message -
From: Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
The current set of iphone/ipad firmware updates are about 700mb per
device. Not counting the latest combo updater (or incremental) for
MacOS. (Hopefully with the 5.0 software announced they will do OTA
updates on a
On 6/11/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Pilkington wrote:
On Jun 11, 2011, at 19:00, TR Shawts...@oitc.com wrote:
I'm not sure where this thread is going but rural america and rural canada are
rolling their own broadband connectivity in places.
This is my eventual goal where I'm moving. (Oswego
- Original Message -
From: Valdis Kletnieks valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
(Biggest single issue? Probably that some companies got really big incentives
a
number of years ago to deploy broadband, and were allowed to pocket the money
without actually deploying. Will take quite a bit to
- Original Message -
From: Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net
Though it's nice to have why would one *need* 100 Mbps at home?
(I can't imagine that no one's gone here yet...)
Jeroen: does your computer have more than 640KB of RAM?
Cheers,
-- jr 'or your cellphone? Watch?' a
--
Jay R.
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 11, 2011, at 15:16, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
Randy Bush wrote:
some of us try to get work done from home. and anyone who has worked
and/or lived in a first world country thinks american 'broadband' speeds
are a joke, even for a home network.
I
Also remember there are a lot of moves afoot to *make it illegal* for
cities
and other municipalities to deploy last-mile fiber, as we discussed a
couple
weeks ago. Who's responsible for most of that?
Verizon.
Can you spell FiOS?
My assertion's been that they need it to save them
On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Even Cracked realizes this:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-internet-access-in-america-disaster
I would describe this as local market failure. It's common even in highly
populated areas, not just rural ones here in the US.
What I
Once upon a time, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net said:
On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Even Cracked realizes this:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-internet-access-in-america-disaster
I would describe this as local market failure. It's common even in highly
I think the point is the ubiquity of access isn't what it should be.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net said:
On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Even Cracked realizes this:
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:47, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
I'd go so far as to say user failure. If I wanted cable TV
(especially if I needed it at home as part of my job), I wouldn't
buy/rent/lease/whatever a home without checking that cable TV is
available at that location.
Yeah,
the environment before printing e-mail
-Original Message-
From: Kyle Creyts [mailto:kyle.cre...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:01 AM
To: Chris Adams; NANOG
Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.
I think the point is the ubiquity of access isn't what it should be.
On Fri, Jun
On Jun 10, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Kyle Creyts wrote:
I think the point is the ubiquity of access isn't what it should be.
I think there were several good points made in the article.
1) Data caps and how they impact software updates (or downloads) - hughesnet
was mentioned but ..
Looking to the
On Jun 10, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:47, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
I'd go so far as to say user failure. If I wanted cable TV
(especially if I needed it at home as part of my job), I wouldn't
buy/rent/lease/whatever a home without checking
Funny, how in the title refers to the Internet globally when the article is
specific about the USA.
I live in europe and we have at home 100Mbps . Mid sized city of 500k
people. Some ISPs even spread WiFi across town so that subscribers can have
internet access outside their homes.
On Fri, Jun
On Jun 10, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Ricardo Ferreira wrote:
I live in europe and we have at home 100Mbps . Mid sized city of 500k
people. Some ISPs even spread WiFi across town so that subscribers can have
internet access outside their homes.
Cablevision does that somewhat.
Greg
Jay Ashworth wrote:
Even Cracked realizes this:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-internet-access-in-america-disaster
That can't be good.
ignorant?
up to 10 percent of the country can't even get basic broadband
I think I saw much larger numbers a few years ago when I read some hype
On Jun 10, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
Jay Ashworth wrote:
Even Cracked realizes this:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-internet-access-in-america-disaster
That can't be good.
ignorant?
up to 10 percent of the country can't even get basic broadband
I think I saw
I love how articles like this seem to convienently ignore the fact that the
US is a BIG COUNTRY, and countries like Korea and Japan are very small
countries comparitively. I haven't done any research to backup the
following claim, but I suspect that the Russian Federation's internet
probably
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:43:39 PDT, Jeroen van Aart said:
Jay Ashworth wrote:
Even Cracked realizes this:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-internet-access-in-america-disaster
That can't be good.
ignorant?
up to 10 percent of the country can't even get basic broadband
I
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
So the *actual* numbers are much worse than the FCC numbers.
Be that as it may, when I moved to the States I had to give up DSL back
in the Netherlands. But since I got flat rate dialup in return in the
USA it wasn't such a big deal, for me the internet worked
2) Last mile is expensive to install and hard to justify for people. This
is because of a long history of universal service and
subsidization/regulation.
Not only that, it makes it even worse when you hear firsthand accounts of
yea, this customer's DSL is screwed because att was too cheap to
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:59:38 PDT, Jeroen van Aart said:
Maybe flat rate local phone calls is one of the reasons broadband lags
behind here. Because your bills actually increase with broadband. From a
mere $10 to something like $30 and up per month. That's a considerable
difference for many
Hi List,
Farmer Don here... Wonder if I could get some help please?
40°46'42.77N - 73°58'0.83W
I found a bit of land that I like the look of, with what appears to be a
nice water reserve so my animals can drink and I can water the grass.
Being from New Zealand (a farming community a bit
(Biggest single issue? Probably that some companies got really big
incentives a
number of years ago to deploy broadband, and were allowed to pocket the
money
without actually deploying. Will take quite a bit to reverse *that*
fiasco...)
It sounds, Valdis, like you've been listening to
On 6/10/2011 7:43 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
I wonder, what's wrong with dialup through ISDN? You get speed that is
about the same as low end broadband I'd say. And I think it'd be
available at these locations where DSL is not.
Well, it was available. I had one ~15 years ago, and a Cisco 801
I had dual ISDN from nynex in the 90s. 128k woohoo! It cost me $500+/mth.
j
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jeff Kell jeff-k...@utc.edu wrote:
On 6/10/2011 7:43 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
I wonder, what's wrong with dialup through ISDN? You get speed that is
about the same as low end
Yes thank you very much Mr J for the links you provided. :)
We have actually done our research, unlike the gent having a rant in the
initial linked article, and were aware of the abundance of both low cost
2g, 3g and free wifi in the area. Again, as I explained it is one of
the reasons for
Yep, don't mention it
One regulation you may run afoul of is the the new zero tolerance quiet zone
enforcement
Cowbells are definitely out, mooing dubious.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/06/01/nina-in-new-york-grouchiness-prevails-in-central-park/
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Don
Dear Mr J,
Again let me thank you for engaging this issue.
However again we have done our research and were well aware of the issue
before making the investment choice (unlike the OP's linked article
where the writer clearly hadn't researched the availability of
services/resources he needed
Once upon a time, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net said:
I wonder, what's wrong with dialup through ISDN? You get speed that is
about the same as low end broadband I'd say. And I think it'd be
available at these locations where DSL is not.
For the most part, it probably isn't, especially
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