Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-11 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/11/2011 12:57 AM, David Conrad wrote: Or not. It may be that network operators (not just the ones that show up at ARIN meetings and are on PPML) are happy with the existing communication channels and that additional structures to encourage participation and input in the ARIN region

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Jack Bates wrote: On 1/11/2011 12:57 AM, David Conrad wrote: Or not. It may be that network operators (not just the ones that show up at ARIN meetings and are on PPML) are happy with the existing communication channels and that additional structures to

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-10 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/9/2011 5:27 PM, John Curran wrote: Excellent question. To the extent that it is best practices on these types of services, then that's relatively easy for ARIN to interface with... if it is specific direction to ARIN to do xyz, then ultimately the decision rests with the ARIN Board

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Jack Bates wrote: On 1/9/2011 5:27 PM, John Curran wrote: Excellent question. To the extent that it is best practices on these types of services, then that's relatively easy for ARIN to interface with... if it is specific direction to ARIN to do xyz, then

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-10 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/10/2011 5:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Members may bring any topic of interest to arin-discuss. The fact that there is more traffic on ppml dealing with the NRPM than there is on arin-discuss dealing with other issues is a matter of where the members choose to focus their attention more

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-10 Thread Owen DeLong
PPML is a forum for the community (not just ARIN members, the entire community). Good to know. I was under the impression that it was member only. Nope... Anyone interested can subscribe to PPML. There is a separate mailing list... arin-discuss which is for members of ARIN to discuss

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-10 Thread David Conrad
Owen, On Jan 8, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I suspect part of the issue is that ARIN is a monopoly provider of a variety public services that folks unrelated (directly) to ARIN must make use of. In other areas of public service provision, there are things like public utilities

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-10 Thread David Conrad
Owen, On Jan 10, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Members may bring any topic of interest to arin-discuss. Just to be clear, arin-discuss is limited to ARIN members? They can and sometimes do discuss operational matters there. Operational matters that impact more than members? The ACSP

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-10 Thread David Conrad
Lee, On Jan 9, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote: Are you saying ARIN needs an ombudsman function to make sure the Board doesn't delay implementation of things the community wants while it figures out whether doing such things will prevent it from doing other things the community wants?

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 10, 2011, at 8:52 PM, David Conrad wrote: Owen, On Jan 10, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Members may bring any topic of interest to arin-discuss. Just to be clear, arin-discuss is limited to ARIN members? To the best of my knowledge, yes. They can and sometimes do

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 10, 2011, at 8:23 PM, David Conrad wrote: Owen, On Jan 8, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I suspect part of the issue is that ARIN is a monopoly provider of a variety public services that folks unrelated (directly) to ARIN must make use of. In other areas of public service

RE: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-09 Thread Lee Howard
On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote: I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best Current Operational Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and document BCOPs. While I think BCOPs (and BCOP BoFs) are a great idea, I guess the question is

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-08 Thread Randy Bush
I suspect part of the issue is that ARIN is a monopoly provider of a variety public services that folks unrelated (directly) to ARIN must make use of. In other areas of public service provision, there are things like public utilities commissions that (in theory) ensure the monopoly service

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-08 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 8, 2011, at 1:15 PM, David Conrad wrote: Lee, On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote: I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best Current Operational Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and document BCOPs. While I think