Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-21 Thread Bill Woodcock
I imagine that the “description” of each entry in the list should include a machine-readable field indicating the use. There was a question about the use-case... I’m sure a lot of people in the ops community have their own reasons related to routing and filtering and so forth, but there’s

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-21 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 3/21/19 11:52 AM, Ross Tajvar wrote: Not all any-casted prefixes are DNS resolvers and not all DNS resolvers are anycasted. It sounds like you would be better served by a list of well-known DNS resolvers. True on both counts, and that's why I said "help". On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 12:35

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-21 Thread Ross Tajvar
Not all any-casted prefixes are DNS resolvers and not all DNS resolvers are anycasted. It sounds like you would be better served by a list of well-known DNS resolvers. On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 12:35 PM Bryan Holloway wrote: > > On 3/21/19 10:59 AM, Frank Habicht wrote: > > Hi James, > > > > On

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-21 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 3/21/19 10:59 AM, Frank Habicht wrote: Hi James, On 20/03/2019 21:05, James Shank wrote: I'm not clear on the use cases, though. What are the imagined use cases? It might make sense to solve 'a method to request hot potato routing' as a separate problem. (Along the lines of Damian's

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-21 Thread Job Snijders
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 06:59:18PM +0300, Frank Habicht wrote: > On 20/03/2019 21:05, James Shank wrote: > > I'm not clear on the use cases, though. What are the imagined use cases? > > > > It might make sense to solve 'a method to request hot potato routing' > > as a separate problem. (Along

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-21 Thread Frank Habicht
Hi James, On 20/03/2019 21:05, James Shank wrote: > I'm not clear on the use cases, though. What are the imagined use cases? > > It might make sense to solve 'a method to request hot potato routing' > as a separate problem. (Along the lines of Damian's point.) my personal reason/motivation is

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-21 Thread James Shank
On 3/19/19 5:03 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > >> On Mar 19, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Frank Habicht wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On 19/03/2019 23:13, Bill Woodcock wrote: >>> Generally, static lists like that are difficult to maintain when >>> they’re tracking multiple routes from multiple parties. >> >>

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Frank Habicht
Hi, On 20/03/2019 00:03, Bill Woodcock wrote: > Ok, so, just trying to flesh out the idea to something that can be > usefully implemented… > > 1) People send an eBGP multi-hop feed of well-known-community routes > to a collector, or send them over normal peering sessions to > something that

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Mar 19, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Frank Habicht wrote: > > Hi, > > On 19/03/2019 23:13, Bill Woodcock wrote: >> Generally, static lists like that are difficult to maintain when >> they’re tracking multiple routes from multiple parties. > > agreed. > and on the other extreme, communities are

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Frank Habicht
Hi, On 19/03/2019 23:13, Bill Woodcock wrote: > Generally, static lists like that are difficult to maintain when > they’re tracking multiple routes from multiple parties. agreed. and on the other extreme, communities are very much prone to abuse. I guess I could set any community on a number of

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Mar 19, 2019, at 1:11 PM, Grzegorz Janoszka wrote: > > On 2019-03-19 21:04, Hansen, Christoffer wrote: >> https://github.com/netravnen/well-known-anycast-prefixes/blob/master/list.txt >> PR's and/or suggestions appreciated! (Can be turned into $lirDB friendly >> format->style RPSL) > >

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Mar 19, 2019, at 1:04 PM, Hansen, Christoffer > wrote: > > something like this? > > https://github.com/netravnen/well-known-anycast-prefixes/blob/master/list.txt > > PR's and/or suggestions appreciated! (Can be turned into $lirDB friendly > format->style RPSL) Generally, static lists

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Grzegorz Janoszka
On 2019-03-19 21:04, Hansen, Christoffer wrote: https://github.com/netravnen/well-known-anycast-prefixes/blob/master/list.txt PR's and/or suggestions appreciated! (Can be turned into $lirDB friendly format->style RPSL) Most DNS root servers are anycasted. -- Grzegorz Janoszka

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Hansen, Christoffer
something like this? https://github.com/netravnen/well-known-anycast-prefixes/blob/master/list.txt PR's and/or suggestions appreciated! (Can be turned into $lirDB friendly format->style RPSL) On 19/03/2019 18:12, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: > I wonder whether anyone has ever compiled a list of

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:52:19AM -0700, Damian Menscher via NANOG wrote: > Careful thought should be given into whether the BGP community means "this > is an anycast prefix" vs "please hot-potato to this prefix". > Latency-sensitive applications may prefer hot-potato to their network even > if

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Damian Menscher via NANOG
Careful thought should be given into whether the BGP community means "this is an anycast prefix" vs "please hot-potato to this prefix". Latency-sensitive applications may prefer hot-potato to their network even if it's not technically an anycast range, as their private backbone may be faster (less

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Siyuan Miao
A Well-known BGP community will be better. You'll need to rewrite next hop or do something similar if AnyCast prefixes are learnt from a multi hop BGP feed, and it made the configuration more complicated and difficult to debug. On Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 01:48 Fredy Kuenzler wrote: > Am 19.03.19 um

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Am 19.03.19 um 18:39 schrieb Bill Woodcock: >> On Mar 19, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Fredy Kuenzler >> wrote: I wonder whether anyone has ever compiled a list of >> well-known Anycast prefixes. > > I don’t know of one. > > It seems like a good idea. > > BGP-multi-hop might be a reasonable way to

RE: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread David Guo via NANOG
Hi Fredy, Our anycast prefixes for DNS resolver 185.222.222.0/24 2a09::/48 You can add them if someone will maintain a list. Regards, David -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Fredy Kuenzler Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:13 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: well-known

Re: well-known Anycast prefixes

2019-03-19 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Mar 19, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: > > I wonder whether anyone has ever compiled a list of well-known Anycast > prefixes. I don’t know of one. It seems like a good idea. BGP-multi-hop might be a reasonable way to collect them. If others agree that it’s a good idea, and