Re: BGP unnumbered examples from data center network using RFC 5549 et al. [was: Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?]

2020-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On 30/Jul/20 12:00, Simon Leinen wrote: > As Nick mentions, the hostnames are from the BGP hostname extension. > > I should have noticed that, but we use "BGP unnumbered"[1][2], which > uses RAs to discover the peer's IPv6 link-local address, and then builds > an IPv6 BGP session (that uses RFC

BGP unnumbered examples from data center network using RFC 5549 et al. [was: Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?]

2020-07-30 Thread Simon Leinen
Mark Tinka writes: > On 29/Jul/20 15:51, Simon Leinen wrote: >> >> Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ Up/Down >> State/PfxRcd >> sw-o(swp16)465108 953559 938348000 03w5d00h >> 688 >> sw-m(swp18)465108 885442 938

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jul 29, 2020, at 09:43 , Douglas Fischer wrote: > > Does anybody here knows what Gambiarra means? The english translation would be “Jury Rig” or “Hack”. Synonyms include “McGyverism”, “Rube Goldberg”, “Kludge”, etc. Foreign address family as next-hop is definitely in this category. >

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Douglas Fischer
Does anybody here knows what Gambiarra means? Alejandro mentioned that IPv6 NextHop on IPv4 routing breaks traceroute and difficult troubleshooting. Well... Since a while I have been thinking about a Gambiarra that I'm using on other scenarios, but I think could help to reduce de bad impacts of I

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Jul/20 18:35, Nick Hilliard wrote: > You can't use hostnames, if that's what you're asking. Yes, couldn't fathom how. So really it's convenience of troubleshooting, not convenience of setup :-). I can live with that. > FRR will also do > unnumbered BGP with auto-config. Interesting

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Nick Hilliard
Mark Tinka wrote on 29/07/2020 17:06: > Meaning the initial setup would still require the use of literal IP > addresses? You can't use hostnames, if that's what you're asking. FRR will also do unnumbered BGP with auto-config. Nick

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Chriztoffer Hansen
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 18:06, Mark Tinka wrote: > On 29/Jul/20 16:54, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > it's a capability negotiation, so is handled on session setup. > > Meaning the initial setup would still require the use of literal IP addresses? Unless your (e.g. DC equipment) is set up for automatic b

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Jul/20 16:57, Saku Ytti wrote: > I'm not sure I understand what the option space is. This is like ISIS > TLV137, protocol will populate some trash there and you'll politely > access. It won't allow you to refer to the peer with any name prior to > having the session up. Much like you won'

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Jul/20 16:54, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > it's a capability negotiation, so is handled on session setup. Meaning the initial setup would still require the use of literal IP addresses? Mark.

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 18:51, Owen DeLong wrote: > In reality, next hop isn’t really a layer 3 address. The layer 3 address is a > stand-in that is resolved to > a layer 2 address for forwarding. The layer 3 next-hop address never makes it > into the packet. I wish you had shared in the draft

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jul 29, 2020, at 02:13 , Saku Ytti wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 10:03, Vincent Bernat wrote: > >> This is the solution Cumulus is advocating to its users, so I suppose >> they have some real users behind that. Juniper also supports RFC 5549 >> but, from the documentation, the forwa

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:54, Mark Tinka wrote: > I'm curious to know if this is after-the-fact, as I can't think of a way > that BGP would find hostnames to setup sessions with, outside of some > kind of upper layer name resolution capability. > > The draft isn't clear on how this happens, if it

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Nick Hilliard
Mark Tinka wrote on 29/07/2020 15:51: > I'm curious to know if this is after-the-fact, as I can't think of a way > that BGP would find hostnames to setup sessions with, outside of some > kind of upper layer name resolution capability. > > The draft isn't clear on how this happens, if it is, indeed

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Jul/20 16:30, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > afaik, this is an implementation of draft-walton-bgp-hostname-capability. Nice. I'm curious to know if this is after-the-fact, as I can't think of a way that BGP would find hostnames to setup sessions with, outside of some kind of upper layer name

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Nick Hilliard
Mark Tinka wrote on 29/07/2020 15:09: > Are the names based on DNS look-ups, or is there some kind of protocol > association between the device underlay and its hostname, as it pertains > to neighbors? afaik, this is an implementation of draft-walton-bgp-hostname-capability. Nick

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Jul/20 15:51, Simon Leinen wrote: > > Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ Up/Down > State/PfxRcd > sw-o(swp16)465108 953559 938348000 03w5d00h > 688 > sw-m(swp18)465108 885442 9383480

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Simon Leinen
Douglas Fischer writes: > And today, I reached on https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5549 [...] > But the questions are: > There is any network that really implements RFC5549? We've been using it for more than two years in our data center networks. We use the Cumulus/FRR implementation on switches and

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey, On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 14:26, Alejandro Acosta wrote: > https://blog.acostasite.com/2013/02/publicar-prefijos-ipv4-sobre-una-sesion.html > https://blog.acostasite.com/2013/02/publicando-prefijos-ipv6-sobre-sesiones.html > > I did not like, difficult troubleshooting in case something goes wr

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Alejandro Acosta
Long time ago I tried it out: https://blog.acostasite.com/2013/02/publicar-prefijos-ipv4-sobre-una-sesion.html https://blog.acostasite.com/2013/02/publicando-prefijos-ipv6-sobre-sesiones.html I did not like, difficult troubleshooting in case something goes wrong (however I can understand it's

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 12:58, Vincent Bernat wrote: > I didn't test, but the documentation states: I think only disconnect here is definition of tunnel, there are no additional headers and I don't think the document implies it and the RFC it refers to does not. I've not tried it myself, but my e

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 29 juillet 2020 12:13 +03, Saku Ytti: >> This is the solution Cumulus is advocating to its users, so I suppose >> they have some real users behind that. Juniper also supports RFC 5549 >> but, from the documentation, the forwarding part is done using >> lightweight tunnels. > > I'm not sure if y

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 10:03, Vincent Bernat wrote: > This is the solution Cumulus is advocating to its users, so I suppose > they have some real users behind that. Juniper also supports RFC 5549 > but, from the documentation, the forwarding part is done using > lightweight tunnels. I'm not sure

Re: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
or it. -- Let the machine do the dirty work. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plauger) ――― Original Message ――― From: Douglas Fischer Sent: 29 juillet 2020 02:51 -03 Subject: RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists? To: nanog@

RFC 5549 - IPv4 Routes with IPv6 next-hop - Does it really exists?

2020-07-28 Thread Douglas Fischer
Let's just jump all the arguing about lack of IPv4, the need of IPv6, and etc... I must confess that I don't know all the RFCs. I would like it, but I don't! And today, I reached on https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5549 I knew that was possible to transfer v4 routes over v6 BGP sessions, or v6 rou