On 18/Jun/20 15:26, Warren Kumari wrote:
> Ah, because, if you word / negotiate your contract carefully, the
> failure to meet the 24/7 SLO can be converted into credit -- either
> actual discounts or simply a big stick when negotiating new stuff.
> Many years ago I worked for a company who rep
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:26 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 18/Jun/20 00:50, Warren Kumari wrote:
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> A number of customers (myself included) had 4 hour replacement contracts,
> which the vendor really could not meet - so we agreed to take a new, much
> larger/better model as a replacement.
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On 18/Jun/20 04:00, Owen DeLong wrote:
> OTOH, I bet if you’d had two of those cards fail, you might
> have been SOL on the second one for a couple of days.
Quite possibly, who knows :-). Perhaps I should ask them, just to get a
squirm :-).
Then again, we had enough redundancy built into the
On 18/Jun/20 00:50, Warren Kumari wrote:
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> A number of customers (myself included) had 4 hour replacement
> contracts, which the vendor really could not meet - so we agreed to
> take a new, much larger/better model as a replacement.
It's one of the reasons we never pay for 24/7/365.
In many
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:50 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 16/Jun/20 23:26, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>> Count your blessings…
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> I know that we are lucky that in the markets we operate, local depots
> are available. There are other markets in Africa that may not be so
> lucky. If we ever bu
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To: "Owen DeLong"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Router Suggestions
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:28 PM Owen DeLong <[ o...@delong.com ](
mailto:o...@delong.com )> wrote:
> On Jun 16, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Mark Tinka <[ ma
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:28 PM Owen DeLong wrote:
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> > On Jun 16, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
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> > On 16/Jun/20 22:43, Owen DeLong wrote:
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> >> Covering them all under vendor contract doesn’t necessarily guarantee
> that
> >> the vendor does, either. In general, if you
On 16/Jun/20 23:26, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Count your blessings…
I know that we are lucky that in the markets we operate, local depots
are available. There are other markets in Africa that may not be so
lucky. If we ever built into those markets, we'd certainly cold spare as
much as possible, as
> On Jun 16, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 16/Jun/20 22:43, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>> Covering them all under vendor contract doesn’t necessarily guarantee that
>> the vendor does, either. In general, if you can cover 10% of your hardware
>> failing in the same 3-day period,
Baldur Norddahl wrote on 16/06/2020 07:32:
purpose in life is to be a cold spare and a lab router. Why pay someone
else for having a cold spare ready for next day replacement when you can
have it yourself?
e.g. your production deployment might be in another country, and getting
equipment in a
On 16/Jun/20 22:43, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Covering them all under vendor contract doesn’t necessarily guarantee that
> the vendor does, either. In general, if you can cover 10% of your hardware
> failing in the same 3-day period, you’re probably not going to do much better
> with vendor support.
> On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:37 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 16/Jun/20 08:32, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
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>> Why pay someone else for having a cold spare ready for next day
>> replacement when you can have it yourself? Having a lab router to test
>> config before rollout has really been a
Pretty sure you can via the following PNs.
S-MX204-IR
S-MX204-R
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>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:52 AM Jared Brown
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>> My no-effort quote from last month lists just the box at $13,000. Once you
>> are all in the total is that 1.5 multiple Baldur mentioned compared to OP.
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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:52 AM Jared Brown wrote:
> My no-effort quote from last month lists just the box at $13,000. On
My no-effort quote from last month lists just the box at $13,000. Once you are
all in the total is that 1.5 multiple Baldur mentioned compared to OP.
However, if you google "mx204 price" the first hit wants very much to sell you
one for <$11,000. Caveat emptor and YMMV.
Jared
> Yes I too looke
> On 6/15/20 8:00 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
> For around $11,000 right now, you can get a brand new Juniper MX204
> router. Alternatively, you can get a used MX240 / MX480 with quad
> power supplies, redundant quad core RE's, and 2 16X10G MIC cards for
> around $12,000.
>
> My question, is there anyt
On 16/Jun/20 08:32, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
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> Why pay someone else for having a cold spare ready for next day
> replacement when you can have it yourself? Having a lab router to test
> config before rollout has really been a life saver.
Depends on network size. You can have multiple failures
I bought three MX204 a year ago and paid maybe 50% more than the quoted 11K
for hardware and standard license. On top of that I paid a significant
amount for BNG features and scale licenses, but not everyone needs that.
The third MX204 was considerably cheaper (half price) because its purpose
in l
Yes I too looked into that. And it was not near that price. Please send me
and email off list. I would like to know where I might find that.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
> We just got a MX204 quote and it was close to 2.5x the pri
As someone who has used VSR (Nokia) and VMX (Juniper) I’d suggest, good luck on
your plan to use servers for this sort of routing. If you want a cheap router
to handle full tables and a couple of 10G interfaces worth of throughput I’d
suggest you would be a lot better off with Mikrotik’s latest
We just got a MX204 quote and it was close to 2.5x the price you're
quoting, with apparently the minimum license needed for full tables, and
Next Day replacement. So if it's really $11K, please shoot me an email
off list. Or if someone has a better place to get a decent quote for a
MX204, or ca
Patrick Cole wrote on 15/06/2020 14:16:
MX204's may have gotten chaper in the last year I don't know. But YMMV.
OP needs to check the licensing package for the MX204, and work out the
N-year TCO.
Nick
k Cole
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:42 AM
> To: Colton Conor
> Cc: NANOG
> Subject: Re: Router Suggestions
>
> Colton,
>
> We recently opted for the Arista 7280R2K for peering edge. They come in at
> similar price points (maybe a little more?) to the MX204 and a
t: Re: Router Suggestions
Colton,
We recently opted for the Arista 7280R2K for peering edge. They come in at
similar price points (maybe a little more?) to the MX204 and are a bit higher
capacity.
Worth a look in.
Cheers,
Patrick
Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 07:00:55AM -0500, Colton Conor wrote:
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Colton,
We recently opted for the Arista 7280R2K for peering edge. They come in at
similar price points (maybe a little more?) to the MX204 and are a bit higher
capacity.
Worth a look in.
Cheers,
Patrick
Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 07:00:55AM -0500, Colton Conor wrote:
>For around $11,000 rig
On 6/15/20 8:00 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
For around $11,000 right now, you can get a brand new Juniper MX204
router. Alternatively, you can get a used MX240 / MX480 with quad power
supplies, redundant quad core RE's, and 2 16X10G MIC cards for around
$12,000.
My question, is there anything els
For around $11,000 right now, you can get a brand new Juniper MX204 router.
Alternatively, you can get a used MX240 / MX480 with quad power supplies,
redundant quad core RE's, and 2 16X10G MIC cards for around $12,000.
My question, is there anything else worth looking at in this price range /
port
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