Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-27 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
But it seems, that NetFPGA has not enough memory to hold a full view (current 340k routes). It's just a development platform for prototyping designs, not something you would use in production... I want to use it to implement and test ideas that I have, and play with some different forwarding

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com said: On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:05, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: From the datacenter operator prospective, it would be nice if some of these vendors would acknowledge the need for front-to-back cooling. I mean, it is 2010.

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:26, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com said: On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:05, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: From the datacenter operator prospective, it would be nice if some of these vendors would acknowledge the

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com said: On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:26, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: There are servers and storage arrays that have a front that is nothing but hot-swap hard drive bays (plugged into backplanes), and they've been doing front-to-back cooling

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Joel's widget number 2 On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:47, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com said: On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:26, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: There are servers and storage arrays that have a front that is nothing but hot-swap

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/26/10 11:09 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Joel's widget number 2 On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:47, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com said: On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:26, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: There are servers and storage arrays

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Adam Armstrong
On 24/09/2010 11:22, Venkatesh Sriram wrote: Hi, Can somebody educate me on (or pass some pointers) what differentiates a router operating and optimized for data centers versus, say a router work in the metro ethernet space? What is it thats required for routers operating in data centers? High

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread ym1r . jr
@nanog.org Subject: Re: Routers in Data Centers Sent: Sep 25, 2010 7:18 PM On 24/09/2010 11:22, Venkatesh Sriram wrote: Hi, Can somebody educate me on (or pass some pointers) what differentiates a router operating and optimized for data centers versus, say a router work in the metro ethernet

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010, ym1r...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know open source solutions doesn't have support for fabric or high speed asics. So the throughput will always be a big difference. Unless you are comparing a pure packet software interrupt platform. Hasn't there been a post about

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:54 PM, ym1r...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know open source solutions doesn't have support for fabric or high speed asics. So the throughput will always be a big difference. Unless you are comparing a pure packet software interrupt platform. Not high speed ASICs,

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010, Rubens Kuhl wrote: Not high speed ASICs, but there are hardware-forwarding open-source(in a broad definition) solutions: http://netfpga.org There are 3 related presentations on NANOG 50, which suggests these solutions are reaching real ops quality. I hate to sound

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Heath Jones
I'm more than interested in developing a much cheaper, hardware forwarding router.. I think there is a lot of room for innovation - especially at the target market in this thread. If anyone wants to work with me on this, just let me know! I've got a tonne of ideas and a bit of free time.. NetFPGA

RE: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Alex Rubenstein
I'm not saying the problems are the same, but I am saying that a backplane making cooling hard is not a good excuse, especially when the small empty chassis costs $10K+. And, not to mention that some vendors do it sometimes. The 9-slot Cisco Catalyst 6509 Enhanced Vertical Switch

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
I'm more than interested in developing a much cheaper, hardware forwarding router.. I think there is a lot of room for innovation - especially at the target market in this thread. If anyone wants to work with me on this, just let me know! I've got a tonne of ideas and a bit of free time..

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 09:24:54PM -0400, Alex Rubenstein wrote: And, not to mention that some vendors do it sometimes. The 9-slot Cisco Catalyst 6509 Enhanced Vertical Switch (6509-V-E) provides [stuff]. It also provides front-to-back airflow that is optimized for hot and cold aisle

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Christian Martin
On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 09:24:54PM -0400, Alex Rubenstein wrote: And, not to mention that some vendors do it sometimes. The 9-slot Cisco Catalyst 6509 Enhanced Vertical Switch (6509-V-E) provides [stuff]. It

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Heath Jones hj1...@gmail.com wrote: But it seems, that NetFPGA has not enough memory to hold a full view (current 340k routes). It's just a development platform for prototyping designs, not something you would use in production... I want to use it to

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread James P. Ashton
- Original Message - On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Heath Jones hj1...@gmail.com wrote: But it seems, that NetFPGA has not enough memory to hold a full view (current 340k routes). It's just a development platform for prototyping designs, not something you would use in

RE: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Simon Lyall
A few Blog posts on Datacentre network equipment that people may find interesting and relivant: http://perspectives.mvdirona.com/2009/12/19/NetworkingTheLastBastionOfMainframeComputing.aspx http://mvdirona.com/jrh/TalksAndPapers/JamesHamilton_CleanSlateCTO2009.pdf

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-25 Thread Steven King
a router operating and optimized for data centers versus, say a router work in the metro ethernet space? What is it thats required for routers operating in data centers? High throughput, what else? A datacenter router is a box which falls into a particular market segment, characterized

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-25 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/24/10 5:28 PM, Alex Rubenstein wrote: While this question has many dimensions and there is no real definition of either I suspect that what many people mean when they talk about a DC routers is: From the datacenter operator prospective, it would be nice if some of these vendors would

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-25 Thread Steven King
On 9/25/10 5:35 AM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 03:11:25AM -0400, Steven King wrote: Cisco uses their own ASICS is their higher end flag ship devices. Devices such as the Catalyst 6500 series or the 2960 switches. You pretty much singled out all the major players,

Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-24 Thread Venkatesh Sriram
Hi, Can somebody educate me on (or pass some pointers) what differentiates a router operating and optimized for data centers versus, say a router work in the metro ethernet space? What is it thats required for routers operating in data centers? High throughput, what else? Thanks, Venkatesh

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:52:22 +0530, Venkatesh Sriram said: Can somebody educate me on (or pass some pointers) what differentiates a router operating and optimized for data centers versus, say a router work in the metro ethernet space? What is it thats required for routers operating in data

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-24 Thread James P. Ashton
(As opposed to Policing) is very useful. Also, Front to back cooling is optimal in a Datacenter and often not available. James - Original Message - From: Venkatesh Sriram vnktshsri...@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:22:22 AM Subject: Routers in Data Centers Hi

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-24 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Sep 24, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Venkatesh Sriram wrote: Hi, Can somebody educate me on (or pass some pointers) what differentiates a router operating and optimized for data centers versus, say a router work in the metro ethernet space? What is it thats required for routers operating in data

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-24 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sep 24, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Venkatesh Sriram wrote: Hi, Can somebody educate me on (or pass some pointers) what differentiates a router operating and optimized for data centers versus, say a router work in the metro ethernet space? What is it thats required for routers operating in data

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-24 Thread bmanning
and optimized for data centers versus, say a router work in the metro ethernet space? What is it thats required for routers operating in data centers? High throughput, what else? While this question has many dimensions and there is no real definition of either I suspect that what many