Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-02 Thread Nick Hilliard
Sean Donelan wrote on 02/11/2019 19:32: Has anyone compared the network resiliancy and reliability in countries with centralized control with similar situated countries with decentralized networks? US-EU connectivity is curious. E.g. how many active transatlantic EU-US cable systems are

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-02 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Sat, 02 Nov 2019 14:49:58 -0400, Christopher Morrow said: > I think the disconnect idea is actually a good one... I don't know > that I want to DO IT, but :) it certainly seems like a reasonable > disaster recovery planning exercise :) (likely doing it is the only > way to really suss out the

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-02 Thread Sean Donelan
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019, Fred Baker wrote: This has nothing to do with cables, and everything to do with information control and politics. I agree with Fred, but trying to keep this on a technical list. Has anyone compared the network resiliancy and reliability in countries with centralized

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
I think the disconnect idea is actually a good one... I don't know that I want to DO IT, but :) it certainly seems like a reasonable disaster recovery planning exercise :) (likely doing it is the only way to really suss out the problems though) On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:19 PM Mike Bolitho wrote:

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-02 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
Peace, On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:20 PM Mike Bolitho wrote: >> I would imagine that the internet is a whole less resilient today in 2019 >> than it was back in the day before the cloud takeover. > It's far more resilient now than it has ever been. More sub-sea cables. > Multiple routes across

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-02 Thread Mike Bolitho
> > I would imagine that the internet is a whole less resilient today in 2019 > than it was back in the day before the cloud takeover. It's far *more* resilient now than it has ever been. More sub-sea cables. Multiple routes across continents. The very fact that there are AWS/Azure/Google Cloud

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-01 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
Peace, On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 3:16 AM Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > If somehow all the transatlantic (and/or transpacific) cables are offline ...then probably a horrific global disaster has occurred, and a sudden degradation of the Internet connectivity would be about the least of your

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-01 Thread Fred Baker
> On Nov 1, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > > If somehow all the transatlantic (and/or transpacific) cables are offline; > will the whole internet outside of the US stop working, too? This has nothing to do with cables, and everything to do with information control and

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-01 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
Unpopular opinion: other countries should do the same. If somehow all the transatlantic (and/or transpacific) cables are offline; will the whole internet outside of the US stop working, too? AWS and all the other providers have DCs all over the world, but would they still work if they can't

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-01 Thread Sean Donelan
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019, John Von Essen wrote: The thing that I always wonder about is the ability for citizens to bypass the restriction via satellite internet nowadays. I guess they need a law to make that illegal too, if found purchasing satellite internet gear, off to the gulag! Essentially

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-01 Thread Nathan Angelacos
> > Got crickets, so now I have to respond to my own post on > what I just found out about it. Is that like talking to > yourself? :) Not when others are listening. Thanks for the update.

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-01 Thread John Von Essen
I guess if all telecoms and carriers in Russia (or say China) are under strong government control/oversight, its fairly easy from a technology standpoint to block the outside world. The thing that I always wonder about is the ability for citizens to bypass the restriction via satellite

Re: Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-11-01 Thread Scott Weeks
--- sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: From: "Scott Weeks" Anyone got any technical info on how Russia plans to execute a disconnection test of the internet? Got crickets, so now I have to respond to my own post on what I just found out about it. Is that

Russian government’s disconnection test

2019-10-24 Thread Scott Weeks
Anyone got any technical info on how Russia plans to execute a disconnection test of the internet? I am starting to see this on web sites again: https://slate.com/technology/2019/10/russia-runet-disconnection-domestic-internet.html and started wondering how they plan to do that? DNS?