Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-15 Thread Dane
The timing of your email as well as a couple of seemingly unrelated things that I have heard about make me think this might be related to some large toll fraud scheme. Today I heard from someone who says Verizon is telling them they see about 700 calls per hour to Cuba originating from their PRI.

Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-15 Thread Leland E. Vandervort
Managed to get to the bottom of it, and it was indeed a SIP User-Agent brute-force attempt. Interestingly, though, that your mail mentions specifically verizon... the majority of the remote addresses during this brute-force attempt were also behind verizon... coincidence? Hmm.. Regards,

RE: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-15 Thread Mike Goldman
ACL's at the perimeter and/or on the gateways might help Thanks, Mike Goldman -Original Message- From: Leland E. Vandervort [mailto:lel...@taranta.discpro.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:39 AM To: Dane Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing

Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-15 Thread Andy Davidson
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:35:43AM -0500, Dane wrote: Today I heard from someone who says Verizon is telling them they see about 700 calls per hour to Cuba originating from their PRI. Obviously some type of toll fraud. In the same way that it's possible to configure a mail relay as a device

Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:20:35 + (GMT) Leland E. Vandervort lel...@taranta.discpro.org wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Roland Dobbins wrote: IANAL, but I suggest you check again with your legal department - I doubt this is actually the case (your jurisdiction may vary, but in most

SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-10 Thread Leland E. Vandervort
Hi All, Over the past couple of days we have been seeing an exponential increase (about 200-fold) in the amount of UDP SIP Control traffic in our netflow data. The past 24 hours, for example, has shown a total of nearly 300 GB of this traffic incoming and over 400 GB outgoing -- this despite

Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-10 Thread Leland E. Vandervort
Legally speaking, we can't grab packets in this sense without a specific validated complaint, court orders, and that kind of thing... So all we can do in the the absence of a specific complaint is in the context of our day to day traffic analysis from the netflow data to identify anomalies..

Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-10 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Leland E. Vandervort wrote: UDP SIP Control traffic in our netflow data. Have you grabbed some packets in order to ensure it's actually SIP, vs. something else on the same ports? If it really is SIP-related, this could be caused by botted hosts launching a

Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-10 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Leland E. Vandervort wrote: legally speaking, we can't grab packets in this sense without a specific validated complaint, court orders, and that kind of thing... IANAL, but I suggest you check again with your legal department - I doubt this is actually the

Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-10 Thread Leland E. Vandervort
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Roland Dobbins wrote: IANAL, but I suggest you check again with your legal department - I doubt this is actually the case (your jurisdiction may vary, but in most Western nations, you can grab packets for diagnostic/ troubleshooting/forensics purposes). Already did

Re: SIP - perhaps botnet? anyone else seeing this?

2009-04-10 Thread Randy Bush
to answer your question, as opposed to telling you how to run your business, yes. we are seeing a low level, distributed source, sip probing across a wide swath of target space. it goes back a long time. randy