In article 4ee6e7d2.8060...@bogus.com, Joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com
writes
So now we will reap the consequences and it will be at the cost of
new market entrants (which I am sure will please some people) and
perhaps cold hard cash for those who cannot expand their business or
have to 'buy'
On Wednesday, December 14, 2011 02:36:49 PM Don Gould wrote:
I've been researching solutions with NAT and double NAT
in mind because it's obvious that v4 space is going to
become a growing problem.
We've started playing with Stateful NAT64 on a couple of
Cisco ASR1006's.
In general, it
On Dec 11, 2011, at 6:52 AM, John Curran wrote:
The sooner we get the content on IPv6 in addition to IPv4, the sooner
that connecting new customers up via IPv6 without additional unique
IPv4 address space becomes viable (and obviously if we had the vast
majority of content already on
I really didn't follow to much of this thread, it's all a bit weird with
some obvious industry under currents running that I don't follow.
What I will say is that I'm currently involved with exactly this issue
and would have to say that it's all just getting sillier by the day.
I've been
and models that doesn't take we may not get IPv4 space into account and have
a contingency plan for that *deserves* to be soundly mocked and ridiculed in
public.
That's right
However the original post was concerning a fresh new ISP that can't run their
business the way they would like
Maybe
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From: Vitkovsky, Adam [mailto:avitkov...@emea.att.com]
Sent: 12 December 2011 09:19
To: Eric Parsonage; valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Sad IPv4 story?
and models that doesn't take we may not get IPv4 space into account
and have
On Monday, December 12, 2011 05:17:08 PM Vitkovsky, Adam
wrote:
However the original post was concerning a fresh new ISP
that can't run their business the way they would like
Maybe they'd like to build an mpls core which right now
is not possible with only ipv6 at hand I'd like to see
the
On 12/12/11 02:05 , Leigh Porter wrote:
-Original Message- From: Vitkovsky, Adam
[mailto:avitkov...@emea.att.com] Sent: 12 December 2011 09:19 To:
Eric Parsonage; valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Sad IPv4 story?
and models that doesn't take we may not get
On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific area
desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their business the way
they would like…
This is just a data point.
Franck -
Thanks for the data point -
On 11/12/2011, at 2:37 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:48:45 EST, Barry Shein said:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
business the way they would like?
This
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On Dec 10, 2011, at 2:58 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
business the way they would like…
and we are supposed to be surprised or
2011/12/10 bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:15:01AM -0500, Keegan Holley wrote:
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On Dec 10, 2011, at 2:58 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:17:32AM -0500, Keegan Holley wrote:
2011/12/10 bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:15:01AM -0500, Keegan Holley wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 10, 2011, at 2:58 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
I just had a personal
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
business the way they would like?
This sniping elicited by the above seems inappropriate and
unprofessional, the request/anecdote seemed reasonable and could
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:48:45 EST, Barry Shein said:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
business the way they would like?
This sniping elicited by the above seems inappropriate and
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
business the way they would like?
This sniping elicited by the above seems inappropriate and
unprofessional, the request/anecdote seemed reasonable and could
No Barry, I respectfully disagree. It's almost 2012. The first
predictions of IPv4 exhaustion were made *last century*. We've been
predicting it to the month level for like 5 years now. Any business
that is making business plans and models that doesn't take we may not
get IPv4 space into
On 12/10/11 17:48 , Barry Shein wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
business the way they would like?
This sniping elicited by the above seems inappropriate and
unprofessional, the
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
No Barry, I respectfully disagree. It's almost 2012. The first
predictions of IPv4 exhaustion were made *last century*. We've been
predicting it to the month level for like 5 years now. Any business
that is making business
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Philip Dorr tagn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
mocking someone who shows up when the party is already over is not
overly kind or useful. making clear to the world that the part is over
The party is not
On 12/10/11 21:42 , Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 12/10/11 17:48 , Barry Shein wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
business the way they would like?
This sniping elicited by the above seems
So far the IPv6 party's been pretty small due to the expense of the
rocket ship upgrades required to reach the planet that party is going
to be held on.
for those of us who have been here on B-612 nuturing the rose for over
a decade, you 'adult' geographers seem to live on a very grey and
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific area
desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their business the way
they would like…
This is just a data point.
On 12/9/2011 10:37 AM, Franck Martin wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific area
desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their business the way
they would like…
This is just a data point.
I hear those are $12/each.
How much do they have in
On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific area
desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their business the way
they would like…
This is just a data point.
Interesting data point.
Would be more
On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Franck Martin wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific area
desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their business the way
they would like…
This is just a data point.
We're going to be hearing a lot more of
Option 2) and think country wide ISP growing very fast.
On 12/9/11 10:39 , Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to
On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Franck Martin wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific area
desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their business the way
they would like…
This is just a data
On 9 Dec 2011, at 20:47, Benson Schliesser wrote:
On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Franck Martin wrote:
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific area
desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Mark Blackman wrote:
On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
We're going to be hearing a lot more of these. It's the nature of finite
resources, and of human nature when faced with them. At some point, this
will find its way into courtrooms under the rubric
On 9 Dec 2011, at 21:05, Benson Schliesser bens...@queuefull.net wrote:
On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Mark Blackman wrote:
On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
We're going to be hearing a lot more of these. It's the nature of finite
resources, and of human nature when faced with
On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:47:06 CST, Benson Schliesser said:
+1 to Fred's comments. Hopefully, the existence of an open IPv4 address
market will help avoid some of the worst. (At least for a while, until
the rising prices get too high for a competitive environment. And maybe
by then the price
On Dec 9, 2011, at 4:12 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
I suspect the opposite is in fact true - if there is an open market, many
sites
will continue deluding themselves and make the end game that much more
painful.
If you haven't been able to sell the CFO types on the need to deploy
On 12/09/2011 13:16, Jared Mauch wrote:
I've had recruiters calling me about IPv6 related jobs for at least 2 years
now.
Some are full-time, others contract work.
+1, mostly contract stuff that I've had to turn down because my travel
capacity is limited nowadays. From the standpoint of
If you haven't IPv6 enabled your capable devices yet, get on it. Most providers
will give you IPv6 for free now, and will allocate you space from their blocks.
If you are an ARIN member, you can get your block of IPv6 address by submitting
a simple
form as long as you already have IPv4
If you are an ARIN member, you can get your block of IPv6 address by
submitting a simple
form as long as you already have IPv4 space.
Not exactly...
1. You don't have to be an ARIN member.
2. Even if you don't have IPv4 space, you can still use a simple form. You just
need to put a
On Dec 9, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Deepak Jain wrote:
I can tell you that (as of Dec 2011) *lots and lots* of networks (big ones,
even some of the biggest) are in no real position to support nearly universal
customer IPv6 service yet. There are networks that have IPv6 somewhere..
but even where
I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
business the way they would like…
and we are supposed to be surprised or feel sorry? you're kidding,
right? they're lucky to be in a/p. at least they can get
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