On 12/11/18 11:43 AM, Larry Allen wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:56 William Anderson
>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 06:08, Lotia, Pratik M
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP
>>> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation)
Thank you everybody for sharing your views. I think I've got a clear answer.
It's better to not go down this slippery path.
With Gratitude,
Pratik Lotia
“Security is like legos. You can build pretty much whatever you want if you
have a clear vision of the final product and the skill to put
Yes, in some countries (NOT in US, AFAIK) court can issue an order to
block IP/domain/URL.
If home operator of crime man is blocking the direct access - he have to
use TOR/VPN/... to avoid blocking (or may be you really believe he just
stop any tries to watch his lovely CP?)
If he use TOR/VPN/...
It is my understanding that ISPs block IP addresses and domains under court
order now for copyright violations, criminal activity which would include
CP. They require a court order as they cannot ascertain if it is CP or not,
that is a Law Enforcement decision. The US Supreme Court decision's was
j
...and you will see the TOR exit nodes instead of crime home IP if
censorship is implemented.
11.12.18 19:35, Aaron1 пише:
> ... The only thing I can think of is the idea that I’ve heard before is
> the way to catch someone is to watch them well they are accessing, the
> concept of honeypots comes
Remember what I said... If the censorship system will be created FOR
ANY, ANY REASON - you will forget the initial reason very quickly.
11.12.18 19:34, Aaron1 пише:
> Right... When would it ever be wrong to stop terrible internet activity
> such as this?!
>
> Aaron
>
> On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:43
... The only thing I can think of is the idea that I’ve heard before is the way
to catch someone is to watch them well they are accessing, the concept of
honeypots comes to mind
Aaron
> On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Larry Allen wrote:
>
> I can't imagine a single rational argument against thi
Right... When would it ever be wrong to stop terrible internet activity such as
this?!
Aaron
> On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Larry Allen wrote:
>
> I can't imagine a single rational argument against this.
>
>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:56 William Anderson >> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 06:08, Lotia
I can't imagine a single rational argument against this.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:56 William Anderson On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 06:08, Lotia, Pratik M
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP
>> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploit
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 06:08, Lotia, Pratik M
wrote:
> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP
> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation) content?
> Interpol has a ‘worst-of’ list which contains such domains and it wants
> ISPs to block it.
Makes complete! sense \o/ #MoreKnowledgeKneeded
On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 10:44:43PM +0200, Max Tulyev wrote:
> Because of USA does not have any block lists for example ;)
>
> 08.12.18 22:29, Keith Medcalf пише:
> >
> >> They put IP of some government or critical (for example,
> >> VISA/Mastercar
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:08 AM Lotia, Pratik M
wrote:
> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP
> should block
> domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation) content?
"Whether an ISP should block" ?!
Probably not in most cases, except may be required i
On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 06:26:21PM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Which is it…
>
> It’s being reported on NPR as “Australia required Apple and others to
> remove encryption protections from their devices.”
>
> That’s a massively different (and arguably even worse) outcome than
> “Australia is requir
My impression is that like the judge in my previous note they did
neither, or both, or all of the above.
The law apparently just says if LE or a court of competent
jurisdiction demands the contents of a device it has to be provided in
a readable form and how that's accomplished is not their (the
Which is it…
It’s being reported on NPR as “Australia required Apple and others to remove
encryption protections from their devices.”
That’s a massively different (and arguably even worse) outcome than “Australia
is requiring Apple and others to provide
decryption technology to law enforcement.
On December 8, 2018 at 14:05 merculi...@gmail.com (Matt Erculiani) wrote:
> As everyone has stated, blocking/filtering is a rabbit hole that we dare not
> go
> down or we set ourselves on the same path as oppressive regimes.
>
> For a similar situation that's far less depressing, see the n
On December 8, 2018 at 19:41 h...@efes.iucc.ac.il (Hank Nussbacher) wrote:
> Governments that require ISPs to block "certain" sites have no clue what is
> required technologically to adhere to their demands.
Well that's certainly true.
Australia just passed a law mandating decryption be made
Because of USA does not have any block lists for example ;)
08.12.18 22:29, Keith Medcalf пише:
>
>> They put IP of some government or critical (for example,
>> VISA/Mastercard processing) sites in their blocked
>> domain - and those victim sites will be blocked.
>> This trolling is very popula
> They put IP of some government or critical (for example,
> VISA/Mastercard processing) sites in their blocked
> domain - and those victim sites will be blocked.
> This trolling is very popular in Russia, for example.
This should be very popular everywhere in the free world -- explaining why it
As everyone has stated, blocking/filtering is a rabbit hole that we dare
not go down or we set ourselves on the same path as oppressive regimes.
For a similar situation that's far less depressing, see the numbers of
threads about whether or not enterprises should block certain sites. This
is an em
Correct.
Also if you update IPs automatically by cron (and you have to automate
it as lists only growing and growing) - blocked sites will troll the
censorship system.
They put IP of some government or critical (for example, VISA/Mastercard
processing) sites in their blocked domain - and those vi
On 07/12/2018 20:48, Max Tulyev wrote:
Yes, you may nullroute some IP with some site, but as the collateral
damage you will block part of Cloudflare or Amazon, for example. So
you have to buy and install additional equipment and software to do it
a bit less painful. That's not so cheap, that sh
There's a reason that the subreddit for hidden services has this as a title
.
https://www.reddit.com/r/onions
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:54 AM Aaron1 wrote:
> Makes we want to cry, so sad
>
> Aaron
>
> On Dec 7, 2018, at 1:43 PM, cosmo wrote:
>
> I've done a bit of work
Makes we want to cry, so sad
Aaron
> On Dec 7, 2018, at 1:43 PM, cosmo wrote:
>
> I've done a bit of work in this space, wont elaborate . but here are some
> thoughts :
>
> * many less-engaged or new pedophiles may indeed search such content in the
> clear, however
> * the persiste
I've done a bit of work in this space, wont elaborate . but here are
some thoughts :
* many less-engaged or new pedophiles may indeed search such content in the
clear, however
* the persistent abusers tend to form communities within TOR hidden
services, making them difficult to find. Most
Very well explained, Max!
With Gratitude,
Pratik Lotia
“Information is not knowledge.”
On 12/7/18, 13:16, "NANOG on behalf of na...@jack.fr.eu.org"
wrote:
Well said
On 12/07/2018 07:48 PM, Max Tulyev wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> we are fighting with censorship in our
>>What is “ROKSO's DROP list” ?
ROKSO:
The Register of Known Spam Operations database is a depository of information
and evidence on known persistent spam operations, assembled to assist service
providers with customer vetting and the Infosec industry with Actor Attribution.
Spamhaus (https://w
have to be updated
accordingly – this can be automated. This way no stale entries are present.
With Gratitude,
Pratik Lotia
From: NANOG on behalf of John Von Essen
Date: Friday, December 7, 2018 at 08:59
To: "nanog@nanog.org"
Subject: Re: Should ISP block child pornography?
I bl
Well said
On 12/07/2018 07:48 PM, Max Tulyev wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> we are fighting with censorship in our country. So I have something to say.
>
> First, censorship is not just "switch off this website and that
> webpage". No magic button exist. It is more complex, if you think as for
> while sy
Hi All,
we are fighting with censorship in our country. So I have something to say.
First, censorship is not just "switch off this website and that
webpage". No magic button exist. It is more complex, if you think as for
while system.
Initially, networks was build without systems (hardware and s
On 12/7/18 9:46 AM, Aaron1 wrote:
What is “ROKSO's DROP list” ?
https://www.spamhaus.org/drop/
What is “ROKSO's DROP list” ?
Aaron
> On Dec 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, John Von Essen wrote:
>
> ROKSO's DROP list
I block stuff all the time (like ROKSO's DROP list). The only issue with
blocking domains of CPE is I imagine those domains change all the time
as they get shutdown, if you block the IP (from domain lookup) its
likely that IP maybe be legitimate in the future.
It should be stopped it at the DN
Agree
El 7/12/18 a las 06:14, Owen DeLong escribió:
> How is it that Interpol isn’t taking over/shutting down these domains
> in the DNS at the registry/registrar level?
>
> The GAC pushed hard for the provisions that allow them to do so and
> there’s a pretty clear (and quick) process for it.
>
How is it that Interpol isn’t taking over/shutting down these domains in the
DNS at the registry/registrar level?
The GAC pushed hard for the provisions that allow them to do so and there’s a
pretty clear (and quick) process for it.
Owen
> On Dec 6, 2018, at 22:06 , Lotia, Pratik M wrote:
>
> Does the content create the culprits? Is there research into this? Are
> people with evolutionarily normal sexual appetites turned pedophiles
> after exposed to the material?
I've helped the FBI get child pornographers arrested and I would do it
again.
But to answer your question the conce
: Should ISP block child pornography?
In the USA, you need to contact NCMEC - http://www.missingkids.com/home or the
FBI.
From: Mark Seiden mailto:m...@seiden.com>>
Date: Friday, 7 December 2018 at 12:16 PM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian mailto:ops.li...@gmail.com>>
Cc: &quo
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 08:09, Lotia, Pratik M wrote:
> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP
> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation) content?
> Interpol has a ‘worst-of’ list which contains such domains and it wants ISPs
> to block
In the USA, you need to contact NCMEC - http://www.missingkids.com/home or the
FBI.
From: Mark Seiden
Date: Friday, 7 December 2018 at 12:16 PM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: "Lotia, Pratik M" , "nanog@nanog.org"
Subject: Re: Should ISP block child pornography?
tha
anian
wrote:
>
> https://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Crimes-against-children/Access-blocking
>
>
>
> *From: *NANOG on behalf of Mark Seiden <
> m...@seiden.com>
> *Date: *Friday, 7 December 2018 at 11:54 AM
> *To: *"Lotia, Pratik M"
> *Cc: *"n
https://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Crimes-against-children/Access-blocking
From: NANOG on behalf of Mark Seiden
Date: Friday, 7 December 2018 at 11:54 AM
To: "Lotia, Pratik M"
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org"
Subject: Re: Should ISP block child pornography?
where is this l
where is this list of dirty domains?
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 10:08 PM Lotia, Pratik M
wrote:
> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP
> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation) content?
> Interpol has a ‘worst-of’ list which contains such d
Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP should
block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation) content? Interpol
has a ‘worst-of’ list which contains such domains and it wants ISPs to block it.
On one side we want the ISP to not do any kind of censorshi
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