Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Barry Shein
On March 2, 2015 at 13:21 na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) wrote: > The most important point is yes, that no one cares. If people wanted it, it > would be sold to them. End. of. story. That presumes you can predict what will be sold tomorrow, which is more what this discussion is about. If pe

RE: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Naslund, Steve
Well, it's not quite that simple. I run a global network so I buy lots of services in lots of countries and areas so I can tell you what out there even though I don't see FIOS commercials on my local TV channels, we are quite aware of the capabilities of FIOS and its competitors. I have lots o

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Rob Seastrom
"Naslund, Steve" writes: >>>From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric. >>> >>> And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing about >>> how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that much >>> don't you think they would market t

RE: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Naslund, Steve
>>From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric. >> >> And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing about >> how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that much >> don't you think they would market that way? >You must not get ou

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Rob Seastrom
"Naslund, Steve" writes: >>From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric. > > And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing > about how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that > much don't you think they would market that way? Y

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Mike A
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 02:41:30PM -0500, Fletcher Kittredge wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > The most important point is yes, that no one cares. If people wanted it, > > it would be sold to them. End. of. story. > > > I will repeat myself, speaking very slowly

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > The most important point is yes, that no one cares. If people wanted it, > it would be sold to them. End. of. story. I will repeat myself, speaking very slowly. Please see original message for citations. Verizon has eight million FIOS custo

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Steve Clark
On 03/02/2015 02:19 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote: The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE. Truth is, once the user is achieving what they consider to be acceptable performance they don't care if it is symmetric

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett
"NANOG list" Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:19:29 PM Subject: RE: Symmetry, DSL, and all that >The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 >gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE. > > Truth is, once the user is achieving w

RE: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Naslund, Steve
>The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 >gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE. > > Truth is, once the user is achieving what they consider to be acceptable performance they don't care if it is symmetric or not. > > >Not a very informative discu

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Damn A key... I mean asymmetric. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "NANOG list" Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:00:04 PM Subject: Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett
t;NANOG list" Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:57:08 PM Subject: Symmetry, DSL, and all that Not a very informative discussion. Points of fact... >From Verizon's January filings regarding 2014Q4: 1. Verizon has about eight million FIOS customers. 2. "Fifty-nine perce

Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
Not a very informative discussion. Points of fact... >From Verizon's January filings regarding 2014Q4: 1. Verizon has about eight million FIOS customers. 2. "Fifty-nine percent of FiOS consumer Internet customers subscribed to data speeds of at least 50Mbps, up from 46 percent one year