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In general, my experience with IP Geolocation has been that it’s slightly worse than a bad idea, yet that ship has sailed and like Windows, there are way too many entrenched applications using it for logic to ever prevail. I believe Amazon runs their own detection service for this and IIRC,

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I got a bit carried away watching that :) Yes, it looks like that's what I'm referring to. With me, my muse often sings well when I'm doodling. The problem is that I sometimes want to return to the doodle, which becomes problematic when you're sharing a classical whiteboard. Cheers, Etienne On

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On 9/3/21 17:29, Etienne-Victor Depasquale wrote: I've been mulling over the use of an interactive whiteboard - not just for the "screen real estate", as you so correctly put it, but also to save my doodles. It beats hogging whiteboards. Has anyone tried this? You mean like this one he is

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I've been mulling over the use of an interactive whiteboard - not just for the "screen real estate", as you so correctly put it, but also to save my doodles. It beats hogging whiteboards. Has anyone tried this? On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 5:19 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 9/3/21 17:07, Stephen

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On 9/3/21 17:07, Stephen Satchell wrote: Size matters, too.  For example, I have a 54" screen.  My record is twelve open (tiled) code windows.  Usually, I have three or four code windows and a LibreWriter window with the specifiations and requirements. Okay  - "screen real estate" :-).

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On 9/3/21 6:54 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: Everyone that I know who spends most of their time writing code can't get enough screens :-). Size matters, too. For example, I have a 54" screen. My record is twelve open (tiled) code windows. Usually, I have three or four code windows and a

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On 9/2/21 17:46, Michael Thomas wrote: Haha I'm not a network engineer, much more of a software engineer with lots of networking. the ability to get three browser windows up side by side is really nice for writing and testing code. There's probably more of a market out there then they

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On 9/1/21 7:58 PM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: At the risk of going off-topic, there must be an over-representation of network engineers as their customer: because I bought the same TV to also use as a 4k monitor. And the power supply on it just died.  Samsung makes a 39” 4k

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At the risk of going off-topic, there must be an over-representation of network engineers as their customer: because I bought the same TV to also use as a 4k monitor. And the power supply on it just died. Samsung makes a 39” 4k and I haven’t been able to find it. How’s this relevant? We’ve

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. From: NANOG on behalf of Haudy Kazemi via NANOG Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:44 PM To: Owen DeLong; nanog list Cc: b...@theworld.com Subject: Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds) Some TVs may also try to rescale the inputs, or enhance/process

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On 9/1/21 3:17 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:28 PM > wrote: Every time I've read a thread about using TVs for monitors several people who'd tried would say don't do it. And everytime I see an email thread about the difference or not

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> On Sep 1, 2021, at 15:17 , Warren Kumari wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:28 PM mailto:b...@theworld.com>> > wrote: > > Every time I've read a thread about using TVs for monitors several > people who'd tried would say don't do it. > > And everytime I see an email thread about the

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On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:28 PM wrote: > > Every time I've read a thread about using TVs for monitors several > people who'd tried would say don't do it. And everytime I see an email thread about the difference or not between monitors and TVs I'm taken over by an all consuming rage... I have a

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Some TVs may also try to rescale the inputs, or enhance/process the image in ways that can improve perceived video quality. Things like increasing frame rates of sources that are lower frame rates (thus the 120 Hz and 240 Hz TVs that attempt to make 24, 30, and 60 FPS sources look better), or

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> On Sep 1, 2021, at 11:25 , b...@theworld.com wrote: > > > Every time I've read a thread about using TVs for monitors several > people who'd tried would say don't do it. I think the gist was that > the image processors in the TVs would fuzz text or something like > that. That it was usable

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Where possible vote with your dollars by selecting providers that do. Where there are multiple providers and none support v6, make it clear to all that the first one to support v6 will get your business and that subsequently, the best v6 support will win. Where there are not multiple providers,

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On 9/1/21 11:49 AM, Matthew Huff wrote: IPv6 tunnels work great for network geeks, but rather poorly for home users with streaming, gaming etc...It's not necessarily the performance, it's either the geolocation, latency, or the very issue that started this thread - VPN banning. Remember,

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On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:26 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 9/1/21 10:59 AM, Nimrod Levy wrote: > > All this chatter about IPv6 support on devices is fun and all, but > > there are providers still not on board. > > They operate in my neighborhood and they know who they are... > > > This is about

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www.ox.com ... -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Michael Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 2:26 PM To: Nimrod Levy ; Owen DeLong Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: The great Netflix v

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Televisions generally have a way smaller pixel density than a computer monitor. It is very noticeable. On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:27 PM wrote: > > Every time I've read a thread about using TVs for monitors several > people who'd tried would say don't do it. I think the gist was that > the image

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On 9/1/21 11:25 AM, b...@theworld.com wrote: Every time I've read a thread about using TVs for monitors several people who'd tried would say don't do it. I think the gist was that the image processors in the TVs would fuzz text or something like that. That it was usable but they were unhappy

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On 9/1/21 10:59 AM, Nimrod Levy wrote: All this chatter about IPv6 support on devices is fun and all, but there are providers still not on board. They operate in my neighborhood and they know who they are... This is about inside your premise before any NAT's enter the picture. What would be

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Every time I've read a thread about using TVs for monitors several people who'd tried would say don't do it. I think the gist was that the image processors in the TVs would fuzz text or something like that. That it was usable but they were unhappy with their attempts, it was tiring on the eyes.

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All this chatter about IPv6 support on devices is fun and all, but there are providers still not on board. They operate in my neighborhood and they know who they are... Nimrod

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> On Aug 31, 2021, at 18:01 , Michael Thomas wrote: > > > On 8/31/21 4:40 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: >> On the other hand, the last time I went looking for a 27” monitor, I ended >> up buying a 44” smart television because it was a cheaper HDMI 4K monitor >> than the 27” alternatives

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> On Aug 31, 2021, at 17:51 , Michael Thomas wrote: > > > On 8/31/21 5:13 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: >> On 8/31/21 16:32, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: >> >>> Fun part being that it is hard to get a Dumb TV... though that is primarily >>> simply because of all the tracking non-sense in them

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> But I also agree there are limits to what needs IoTing. I don't live in a > house large enough that I can't go see if the box needs cleaning within > about 20s. I also sure as hell don't need a notification on my phone that > one of them just made a deposit. *ding!* 1 New Notification: "clean

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100% the Litter Robot is amazing. ( Except for my older cat, she's pushing 19, had to build a ramp for her. ) But I also agree there are limits to what needs IoTing. I don't live in a house large enough that I can't go see if the box needs cleaning within about 20s. I also sure as hell don't need

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On 8/31/21 20:18, J. Hellenthal wrote: Also don't get a smart litterbox... ;-) Yeah that's a thing and connects to the local Wi-Fi. Kinda want to DMZ that mutha and wait for a script kiddie to turn one of my cats upside down... dubs litter-robot.com I have one, the cat loves it and it's

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Also don't get a smart litterbox... ;-) Yeah that's a thing and connects to the local Wi-Fi. Kinda want to DMZ that mutha and wait for a script kiddie to turn one of my cats upside down... dubs litter-robot.com -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to

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On 8/31/21 4:40 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: On the other hand, the last time I went looking for a 27” monitor, I ended up buying a 44” smart television because it was a cheaper HDMI 4K monitor than the 27” alternatives that weren’t televisions. (It also ended up being cheaper than the

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We don’t NAT IPv4 and we’ve had a few new issues with Netflix (had to fix it a few years ago too).They resolved it this time, thankfully! > On Aug 31, 2021, at 18:15, Mark Andrews wrote: > > Force the traffic to these companies to use IPv6. Advise your customers that > you are doing

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On 8/31/21 5:13 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: On 8/31/21 16:32, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: Fun part being that it is hard to get a Dumb TV... though that is primarily simply because of all the tracking non-sense in them that makes them 'cheaper'... (still wonder how well that tracking stuff

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On 8/31/21 16:32, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: Fun part being that it is hard to get a Dumb TV... though that is primarily simply because of all the tracking non-sense in them that makes them 'cheaper'... (still wonder how well that tracking stuff complies with GDPR, I am thinking it does

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If Netflix, et al. are not accepting connections from CGNs they are ALREADY obsolete. Yes, I know it sucks to have to tell your customers that they just bought obsolete equipment. Plug in Chromecast, Apple TV, and they can get back that functionality with a product that does actually get

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> On Aug 31, 2021, at 16:32 , Jeroen Massar wrote: > > On 2021-09-01 01:13, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: >> You just broke 99% of the smart television sets in people’s homes, >> unfortunately. > > If only everybody would not get a separate box, be that a AppleTV, a > Playstation, a XBox,

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.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 5:15:18 PM Subject: Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! Force the traffic to these companies to use IPv6. Advise your customers that you are doing this, why you are doing this and what steps they need to take to enable IPv6 on their equipment. Your customer

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On 2021-09-01 01:13, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: You just broke 99% of the smart television sets in people’s homes, unfortunately. If only everybody would not get a separate box, be that a AppleTV, a Playstation, a XBox, Chromecast, ... or many other options. Fun part being that it is

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You just broke 99% of the smart television sets in people’s homes, unfortunately. That will resolve itself over time, of course, as sets are replaced, but anyone with a set that is more than ~3 years old is mostly unlikely to have IPv6 support in it and the vendors are ALL universally terrible

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Force the traffic to these companies to use IPv6. Advise your customers that you are doing this, why you are doing this and what steps they need to take to enable IPv6 on their equipment. Your customers can’t be in a worse position. "Dear customer, if you want to reach … you will

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I have customer subnet that does not work with Disney+ (pages never fully load), other streaming services are ok. Sent multiple emails to Disney over the last few months using info on the Brothers WISP page. I got a response to the first email saying they would “pass it along for investigation”

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Thanks, Owen ... good point. Now hearing reports for these same prefixes with Disney+ too. So the common denominators are: HBO Hulu Netflix Amazon Prime Disney+ ... there has _got_ to be some new-fangled DB somewhere. This all started in the last month or so. All of our RR objects, whois,

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tings. > > > > > > Someone who knows something concrete about this current issue, please > > throw us ISPs a bone. > > > > > > With this email I feel like Leia recording a video plea for help > > addressed to Obi-Wan Kenobi help me Nanog Community.

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Indeed. Let me be 100% clear: We are having issues with prefixes flagged as VPNs. They are not. We are NOT having issues with prefixes and geolocation. On 8/31/21 9:24 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: * war...@kumari.net (Warren Kumari) [Tue 31 Aug 2021, 21:04 CEST]: So, RFC8805 is great and all,

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* war...@kumari.net (Warren Kumari) [Tue 31 Aug 2021, 21:04 CEST]: So, RFC8805 is great and all, but it sure is annoying that you have to find webforms for a whole heap-o-geolocation providers, and figure out how to tell them where your geofeed file lives, etc. Introducing RFC9092 - "Finding

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> On Aug 31, 2021, at 11:16 , Bryan Holloway wrote: > > So I've made some progress, but not on the HBO front. (Hulu and Netflix have > been responsive so far.) > > Tried the e-mail address on Mike Hammett and Co.'s handy web-page, but got no > response after several days. Ironically we

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a for help > addressed to Obi-Wan Kenobi help me Nanog Community... you're my only > hope. > > > > > > -- > *From:* NANOG on behalf > of Bryan Holloway > *Sent:* Friday, August 27, 2021 4:56 PM > *To:* Mike Hammett; John Alcock

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ett; John Alcock *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! Is there some new DB that major CDNs are using? We've been getting several reports of prefixes of ours being blocked, claiming to be VPNs, even though we've been using those subnets without incident for years. HBO, Netf

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> *From: *"John Alcock" > *To: *nanog@nanog.org > *Sent: *Friday, August 13, 2021 2:11:16 PM > *Subject: *The great Netflix vpn debacle! > > Well, > > It happened. I have multiple subscribers calling in. They can not access > Netflix. > > Any contacts on list for Netflix that I can use to get my up blocks > whitelisted? > > John >

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*From: *"John Alcock" *To: *nanog@nanog.org *Sent: *Friday, August 13, 2021 2:11:16 PM *Subject: *The great Netflix vpn debacle! Well, It happened. I have multiple subscribers calling in. They can not access Netflix. Any contacts on list for Netflix that I can use to get my up blocks whitelisted? John

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The great Netflix vpn debacle! Well, It happened. I have multiple subscribers calling in. They can not access Netflix. Any contacts on list for Netflix that I can use to get my up blocks whitelisted? John

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geosupp...@netflix.com has been very responsive for us. Best of luck, Netflix is always a hassle. Phin On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 8:13 PM John Alcock wrote: > Well, > > It happened. I have multiple subscribers calling in. They can not access > Netflix. > > Any contacts on list for Netflix that I

The great Netflix vpn debacle!

Well, It happened. I have multiple subscribers calling in. They can not access Netflix. Any contacts on list for Netflix that I can use to get my up blocks whitelisted? John