Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread Jared Mauch
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 09:22:40AM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:53:24 -0400 From: Bill Bogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure what this will actually mean in the long run, but it's at least worth noting.

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:22:40 -0700 From: Michael Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:53:24 -0400 From: Bill Bogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure what this will actually mean in the long run, but it's at least worth noting.

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:53:26 -0700 Kevin Oberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the question I have is... will operators (ISP, etc) turn on DNSsec checking? Or a more basic question of whether you even _could_ turn on checking if you were so inclined? As far as I can see, at least with

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:14:48AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: Note that if you do turn on DNSSEC, you're going to have to make sure the trust anchors you configure get updated. Trust anchors have a validity period and if they're not updated before they expire

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread Jeroen Massar
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:53:26 -0700 Kevin Oberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the question I have is... will operators (ISP, etc) turn on DNSsec checking? Or a more basic question of whether you even _could_ turn on checking if you were so inclined? As far as I can

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:25:03 +0200 From: Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steven M. Bellovin wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:53:26 -0700 Kevin Oberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the question I have is... will operators (ISP, etc) turn on DNSsec checking? Or a more basic question

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread Jeroen Massar
Kevin Oberman wrote: [..] Right. The real questions are the clients and the trust anchor -- what root key do you support? A distributed one. I personally don't really see an issue with downloading a public key for every TLD out there. These keys could come in a pack even by an OS

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread Michael Thomas
Jeroen Massar wrote: Steven M. Bellovin wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:53:26 -0700 Kevin Oberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the question I have is... will operators (ISP, etc) turn on DNSsec checking? Or a more basic question of whether you even _could_ turn on checking if you were so

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread David Conrad
On Aug 27, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: Right. The real questions are the clients and the trust anchor -- what root key do you support? A distributed one. I personally don't really see an issue with downloading a public key for every TLD out there. These keys could come in a

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread David Conrad
Just speaking of the IANA ITAR... On Aug 27, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Kevin Oberman wrote: How do you propose to establish the initial trust for these keys? Current plan: - The IANA ITAR will be reachable via HTTPS, so you could trust the CA IANA uses for that website (don't know who that is

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread David Conrad
On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: Of course embedded frobs that don't auto-update like, oh say, your favorite router could be problematic. You have a router that supports DNSSEC that can't be made to do some form of auto-update? In any case, the point of my first

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread Michael Thomas
David Conrad wrote: On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: In any case, the point of my first question was really about the concern of false positives. Do we really have any idea what will happen if you hard fail dnssec failures? As far as I'm aware, there is no 'soft fail' for

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-27 Thread David Conrad
Michael, On Aug 27, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Sure, but my point is that if DNSsec all of a sudden has some relevance which is not the case today, any false positives are going to come into pretty stark relief. Yep. As in, .gov could quite possibly setting themselves up

US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-26 Thread Bill Bogstad
Not sure what this will actually mean in the long run, but it's at least worth noting. http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/46987-1.html http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/memoranda/fy2008/m08-23.pdf Bill Bogstad

Re: US government mandates? use of DNSSEC by federal agencies

2008-08-26 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:53:24 -0400 From: Bill Bogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure what this will actually mean in the long run, but it's at least worth noting. http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/46987-1.html http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/memoranda/fy2008/m08-23.pdf It will mean