On 03/03/2015 08:07 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
I'm not done collecting all of our data yet, but just looking at what we
have right now (~17,000 APs) over half of the clients connected have an
upload rate of 5mbps or less. A just over 20% have an average upload rate
of 1mbps.
BTW, the reason we're w
I wasn't being funny. :-)
That was about a quarter to a third of a /wonderful/ #takethat to the *AA...
On April 23, 2015 10:17:51 AM EDT, Ray Soucy wrote:
>Sorry, I know I get long-winded. That's why I don't post as much as I
>used
>to. ;-)
>
>On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Jay Ashworth wro
Sorry, I know I get long-winded. That's why I don't post as much as I used
to. ;-)
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> There's an op-ed piece in this posting, Ray. Do you want to write it, or
> should I?
>
> :-)
>
>
> On April 23, 2015 10:06:42 AM EDT, Ray Soucy wrote:
>>
>
There's an op-ed piece in this posting, Ray. Do you want to write it, or should
I?
:-)
On April 23, 2015 10:06:42 AM EDT, Ray Soucy wrote:
>It's amazing, really.
>
>Netflix and YouTube now overtake BitTorrent and all other file sharing
>peer-to-peer traffic combined, even on academic networks,
It's amazing, really.
Netflix and YouTube now overtake BitTorrent and all other file sharing
peer-to-peer traffic combined, even on academic networks, by order(s) of
magnitude. The amount of peer-to-peer traffic is not even significant in
comparison. It might as well be IRC from our perspective.
- Original Message -
> From: "Frank Bulk"
> Those are measured at the campus boundary. I don't have visibility inside
> the school's network to know who much intra-campus traffic there may be .
> but we know that peer-to-peer is a small percentage of overall Internet
> traffic flows, and
k
From: James R Cutler [mailto:james.cut...@consultant.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 8:51 AM
To: Frank Bulk
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net
Neutrality]
Frank,
Are your measurements taken at the campus boundary or within the camp
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:48:31 -0400
> From: lo...@pari.edu
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Unlawful transfers of content and transfers of unlawful content
> (was:Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality)
>
> On 02/27/2015 02:14 PM, Jim Richardson wrote:
> >
On 02/27/2015 02:14 PM, Jim Richardson wrote:
What's a "lawful" web site?
Paragraphs 304 and 305 in today's released R&O address some of this.
The wording 'Unlawful transfers of content and transfers of unlawful
content' is pretty good, and covers what the Commission wanted to cover.
Not a problem, the discussion was getting a bit out of hand so
misunderstandings are unsuprising.
Thank you for adding your expertise and experiences.
-Barry Shein
The World | b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD
> On Mar 10, 2015, at 06:21 , Kelly Setzer wrote:
>
> Many other organizations who were innovating will be affected by the new
> rules. Many of those organizations are very small and cannot afford the
> army of lawyers that Verizon can.
Such as? Can you provide any actual examples of harmful e
Barry,
First, I want to apologize. I (badly) misread your email, but in case I
should not have responded that way. I would have gotten this out sooner,
but I was traveling back from the CableLabs conference.
Second, my assertion is simply that Usenet servers aren't automagically
symmetrical in
Many other organizations who were innovating will be affected by the new
rules. Many of those organizations are very small and cannot afford the
army of lawyers that Verizon can.
Judgements as to whether Net Neutrality helps or harms any specific
industry will be inevitably guided by politics. T
They want to bang on about the ruling harming innovation and
competition. My response: "Well, you were neither innovating nor
competing as is, so no harm done."
Frank,
Are your measurements taken at the campus boundary or within the campus network?
I remember the confusion when Centrex was first introduced at UMich. The
statistic there that confounded was call durations wildly exceeding models, but
mostly within the campus, not to the outside world. C
olicy Statement on Net
Neutrality]
Averages hide the peak demands. The last mile should handle the
peak demands. Further upstream you get the over subscription
savings. Looking at averages and saying that they define the needs
limits is *bad* engineering. For POTS you would get a few hertz
i
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> On 04/03/2015 16:26, Dave Taht wrote:
>> A geeky household with dad doing skype, mom uploading to facebook, a
>> kid doing a game, and another kid doing netflix, however, is common.
>> And, it is truly amazing how many households have more tha
On 04/03/2015 16:26, Dave Taht wrote:
> A geeky household with dad doing skype, mom uploading to facebook, a
> kid doing a game, and another kid doing netflix, however, is common.
> And, it is truly amazing how many households have more than one device
> per person nowadays.
and $kid running a bit
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>>
>> I don't know many schools that are open at midnight to accept thumb
>> drives.
>
> I think he was trying to point out that most school libraries, and their
> computer labs, open before classes start. Ice never heard of a school
> deadline t
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Chuck Church wrote:
> Since this has turned into a discussion on upload vs download speed,
> figured I'd throw in a point I haven't really brought up. For the most part,
> uploading isn't really a time-sensitive activity to the general (as in 99% of
> th
On 03/03/2015 08:07 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
For consumers to care about symmetrical upload speeds as much as you're
saying why have they been choosing to use technologies that don't deliver
that in WiFi and LTE?
For consumers to have choice, there must be an available alternative
that is affordab
In message
, Scott Helms writes:
> > I don't know many schools that are open at midnight to accept thumb
> > drives.
>
> I think he was trying to point out that most school libraries, and their
> computer labs, open before classes start. Ice never heard of a school
> deadline that was actually
From: Scott Helms
>
>/em shrug
>
>I can't help it if you don't like real world data.
>On Mar 3, 2015 2:25 PM, "Barry Shein" wrote:
>
>>
>> Ok, then I no longer have any confidence that I understand what you
>> were asserting.
Generally when someone says they don't understand me I assume it's my
/em shrug
I can't help it if you don't like real world data.
On Mar 3, 2015 2:25 PM, "Barry Shein" wrote:
>
> Ok, then I no longer have any confidence that I understand what you
> were asserting.
>
> From: Scott Helms
> >Odd how the graphing for the top 1000 Usenet servers showed exactly the
>
Ok, then I no longer have any confidence that I understand what you
were asserting.
From: Scott Helms
>Odd how the graphing for the top 1000 Usenet servers showed exactly the
>pattern I predicted.
>On Mar 2, 2015 3:46 PM, "Barry Shein" wrote:
>
>>
>> > Anything based on NNTP would be extremely
fttc in uk works great for client code push remote installs , even faster than
some offices since the fibre nodes are less contended.
seen 18mb up work fine and sustained with voip in parallel as well
colin
Sent from my iPhone
On 3 Mar 2015, at 16:20, Tim Franklin wrote:
>> I meant that on the
> I meant that on the Internet as a whole it is unusual for such speeds to
> actually be realized in practice due to various issues.
>
> 8-10Mb/s seems to be what one can expect without going to distributed
> protocols.
Really? I have 2 x VDSL (40/10) to my house, running MLPPP. I can get a
su
On 3/2/2015 11:14 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
If the network supported it this would be typical of a household with
teenagers. People adapt their usage to the constraints presented. That
doesn't mean they are necessarially happy with the constraints. Don't
take lack of complaints as indicating peop
imho this two staments are true:
- tomorrow a new product or service on the Internet can completely
change the ratio download/upload
- most probably, this will not happen
It may take a few days (hours for early adopters) for a new service to
become popular on the Internet, that make a intensive us
>
> I don't know many schools that are open at midnight to accept thumb
> drives.
I think he was trying to point out that most school libraries, and their
computer labs, open before classes start. Ice never heard of a school
deadline that was actually in the middle of the night, so if you're work
In message <54f57656.2010...@satchell.net>, Stephen Satchell writes:
> On 03/02/2015 09:14 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > Just tell that to your child that has to submit a assignment before
> > midnight or get zero on 20% of the year's marks. There are plenty
> > of cases where uploads are time crit
On 03/02/2015 09:14 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> Just tell that to your child that has to submit a assignment before
> midnight or get zero on 20% of the year's marks. There are plenty
> of cases where uploads are time critical there are also time where
> it really doesn't matter.
That's what USB th
That's fine and very practical and understandable.
But it's no reason for the net not to keep marching forward at its own
pace which I think is more what's being discussed.
I'm pretty sure that prior to 2007 (year of the first iphone launch)
not many people were clamoring for full, graphical int
In message <000101d05567$74b58530$5e208f90$@gmail.com>, "Chuck Church" writes:
> Since this has turned into a discussion on upload vs download
> speed, figured I'd throw in a point I haven't really brought up. For the
> most part, uploading isn't really a time-sensitive activity to the
> ge
I don't usually chime in on the list, but since this seems to be another
hot item, i'll pitch in my $0.005 (since the $$ has been going up these
days).
IIRC the entire reason we have asymmetry to begin with is because it was
created to resolve an issue with older ADSL hardware. I believe the reaso
Since this has turned into a discussion on upload vs download speed,
figured I'd throw in a point I haven't really brought up. For the most part,
uploading isn't really a time-sensitive activity to the general (as in 99% of
the ) public. Uploading a bunch of facebook photos, you hit up
> On Mar 2, 2015, at 15:40 , Lamar Owen wrote:
>
> On 03/02/2015 03:31 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 08:28 , Lamar Owen wrote:
>>>
>>> ...it would be really nice to have 7Mb/s up for just a minute or ten so I
>>> can shut the machine down and go to bed.
>> How much of your do
On 03/02/2015 03:31 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Mar 2, 2015, at 08:28 , Lamar Owen wrote:
...it would be really nice to have 7Mb/s up for just a minute or ten
so I can shut the machine down and go to bed.
How much of your downstream bandwidth are you willing to give up in order to
get that?
On March 1, 2015 at 16:13 n...@foobar.org (Nick Hilliard) wrote:
> On 01/03/2015 03:41, Barry Shein wrote:
> > On February 28, 2015 at 23:20 n...@foobar.org (Nick Hilliard) wrote:
> > > there were several reasons for asymmetric services, one of which was
> > > commercial. Another was that m
Barry Shein wrote:
> Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without significant
> changes to the protocol or human behavior.
>
> We ran significant Usenet servers with binaries for nearly 20 years and
> without for another 5 and the servers' traffic was heavily asymmetric.
Odd how the graphing for the top 1000 Usenet servers showed exactly the
pattern I predicted.
On Mar 2, 2015 3:46 PM, "Barry Shein" wrote:
>
> > Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without significant
> > changes to the protocol or human behavior.
> >
> > We ran significant Us
> Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without significant
> changes to the protocol or human behavior.
>
> We ran significant Usenet servers with binaries for nearly 20 years and
> without for another 5 and the servers' traffic was heavily asymmetric.
> On Mar 1, 2015 9:11
> On Mar 2, 2015, at 08:28 , Lamar Owen wrote:
>
> On 02/28/2015 05:46 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>> Home users should be able to upload a content in the same amount
>> of time it takes to download content.
> This.
>
> Once a week I upload a 100MB+ MP3 (that I produced myself, and for which I
> o
San Jose is most certainly not a pure coax network and is HFC.
HSD does mean High Speed Data.
On Mar 2, 2015 3:26 PM, "Owen DeLong" wrote:
> Not so sure about that…
>
> 240.59.103.76.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN PTR
> c-76-103-59-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net.
>
> is most definitely a business class service
Not so sure about that…
240.59.103.76.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN PTR
c-76-103-59-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net.
is most definitely a business class service from Comcast. Seems to match the
entry for 24.7.48.153 pretty closely.
I think the difference is the type of cable network in the particular
Naslund, Steve wrote:
That's simply wrong - at least for folks who do any work related stuff at home.
Consider: I've just edited a large sales presentation - say a PPT deck with some
embedded video, totaling maybe 250MB (2gbit) - and I want to upload that to the
company server. And let's say
>Unless there is significant stupidly-done bufferbloat, where the
>"insignificant amount of control traffic in the opposite direction" is delayed
>because the big blocks of the upload are causing a traffic jam in the upstream
>pipe.
Which has nothing at all to do with the asymmetry of the circ
>That's simply wrong - at least for folks who do any work related stuff at home.
>
>Consider: I've just edited a large sales presentation - say a PPT deck with
>some embedded video, totaling maybe 250MB (2gbit) - and I want to upload that
>to the company server. And let's say I want to do that
Naslund, Steve wrote:
Average != Peak.
What is peak? There is a question for you. If we get all the way down to the
fundamentals of any network, peak is always 100%. There is either a bit on the
wire or not. Your network is either 100% busy or 100% idle at any
instantaneous moment in time
On 03/02/2015 09:33 AM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
> A. Me - "Hey genius, why don't you download a movie about networks
> because my upload does not affect your streaming movie download
> except for the insignificant amount of control traffic in the
> opposite direction."
>
Unless there is significant
On 28-Feb-15 21:55, Barry Shein wrote:
> On February 28, 2015 at 17:20 na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) wrote:
>> As I said earlier, there are only so many channels available.
>> Channels added to upload are taken away from download. People use
>> upload so infrequently it would be gross negligence
>
>
>::AWG:: Strawman Alert!
>
>Nobody's talking about taking poor Erlang behind the barn and shooting him.
>
>We're talking about being able to send upstream at a reasonable/comparable
>rate as downstream.
>
>
>Mike
Exactly, now you see the dilemma. What is reasonable/comparable? Is
>
>It is likely not to change when people don't have the available upload to
>begin with. This is compounded by the queue problems on end devices.
>How many more people would stream to twitch or youtube or skype if they didn't
>have to hear this, "Are you uploading? You're slowing down the downl
On 03/02/2015 09:20 AM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
Average != Peak.
What is peak? There is a question for you. If we get all the way down to the
fundamentals of any network, peak is always 100%. There is either a bit on the
wire or not. Your network is either 100% busy or 100% idle at any
inst
>Average != Peak.
>
What is peak? There is a question for you. If we get all the way down to the
fundamentals of any network, peak is always 100%. There is either a bit on the
wire or not. Your network is either 100% busy or 100% idle at any
instantaneous moment in time. What matters is av
>> I was an ISP in the 1990s and our first DSL offerings were SDSL
>> symmetric services to replace more expensive T-1 circuits. When
>> we got into residential it was with SDSL and then the consumers
>> wanted more downstream so ADSL was invented. I was there, I
>> know th
On 02/28/2015 07:33 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 8:34 AM, John R. Levine wrote:
[...]
Until yesterday, there were no network neutrality rules, not for spam or for
anything else.
There still aren't any network neutrality rules, until the FCC makes
the documents public, which th
On 02/28/2015 05:46 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
Home users should be able to upload a content in the same amount
of time it takes to download content.
This.
Once a week I upload a 100MB+ MP3 (that I produced myself, and for which
I own the copyright) to a cloud server. I have a reasonable ADSL
c
>Can we stop the disingenuity?
>
>Asymmetric service was introduced to discourage home users from deploying
>"commercial" services. As were bandwidth caps.
>
>One can argue all sorts of other "benefits" of this but when this started that
>was the problem on the table: How do we forcibly distin
G
>Subject: Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
>Message-ID: <32d3c16d-0f4d-45ba-99f8-d41fe23d4...@mnsi.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Yes, so when cable modems were introduced to the network, they had to be
>designed to work on the EXIST
That's certainly true and why we watch the trends of usage very closely and
we project those terms into the future knowing that's imperfect.
What we won't do is build networks based purely on guesses. We certainly
see demand for upstream capacity increasing for residential customers, but
that inc
te
backup.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: "Aled Morris"
To: "Scott Helms"
Cc: "NANOG"
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:17:33 AM
Subject: Re: Verizon Policy Statement on N
On 2 March 2015 at 14:41, Scott Helms wrote:
> We see customer usage patterns and satisfaction being statically the same
> on 25/25 and 25/8 accounts. The same is true when we look at 50/50 versus
> 50/12 accounts.
perhaps because there are no widely-deployed applications that are designed
wit
My apologies for the implication.
I meant that on the Internet as a whole it is unusual for such speeds to
actually be realized in practice due to various issues.
8-10Mb/s seems to be what one can expect without going to distributed
protocols.
On 03/02/2015 09:06 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
Da
Daniel,
The sold speeds are all actually less than the actual speeds. The PON
customers are slightly over provisioned and the DOCSIS customers are over
provisioned a bit more.
On Mar 2, 2015 10:01 AM, "Daniel Taylor" wrote:
> What do those 25 and 50Mb/s download rates amount to in practice?
>
>
What do those 25 and 50Mb/s download rates amount to in practice?
Statistically speaking, those might *be* symmetric.
On 03/02/2015 08:41 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
Daniel,
For the third or fourth time in this discussion we are tracking and
customer satisfaction for users who do have symmetrical
Daniel,
For the third or fourth time in this discussion we are tracking and
customer satisfaction for users who do have symmetrical bandwidth >24 mbps
and have for a number of years.
We see customer usage patterns and satisfaction being statically the same
on 25/25 and 25/8 accounts. The same is
On 03/02/2015 06:22 AM, Daniel Taylor wrote:
> I'm clearly not a normal user, or I wouldn't be here.
> Normal users have never experienced high-speed symmetrical service.
>
> People don't miss what they have never had.
I would agree with that statement in a slightly modified form:
"People don't
Hostnaming is not always straightforward, as there are variations of
commercial service (some with static IPs, others with dynamic, some
enterprise, branch office, SMB, etc.).
FWIW:
24.7.48.153 c-24-7-48-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
24.10.217.142 c-24-10-217-142.hsd1.ut.comcast.net
I'm clearly not a normal user, or I wouldn't be here.
Normal users have never experienced high-speed symmetrical service.
People don't miss what they have never had.
On 03/02/2015 08:09 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
That's not the norm for consumers, but the important thing to
understand is that for
That's not the norm for consumers, but the important thing to understand is
that for most of the technologies we use for broadband there simply is less
upstream capacity than downstream. That upstream scarcity means that for
DSL, DOCSIS, PON, WiFi, and LTE delivering symmetrical upstream bandwidth
On 02/27/2015 04:49 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
"My point is that the option should be there, at the consumer level."
Why? What's magical about symmetry? Is a customer better served by
having a 5mbps/5mbps over a 25mbps/5mbps?
If the option
Personally?
If the price were the same, I'd go with 50/50.
That way my uploads would take even less time.
It isn't about the averaged total, it's about how long each event takes,
and backing up 4GB of files off-site shouldn't have to take an hour.
On 02/27/2015 03:11 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
D
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 11:58:34AM -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> business vs consumer edition products? (that'd be my bet)
I think these are all residential customers, as business customers
appear to use different subdomains and/or host naming conventions, e.g.:
24.7.48.153 c-24-
In article <54f3d78a.5080...@satchell.net> you write:
>On 03/01/2015 05:53 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Business customers only get static from Comcast if they pay extra for it.
>
>That's also true for Charter. I know of one ISP offering DSL that gives
>its customers static addresses. Only one. Tha
On 03/01/2015 05:53 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Business customers only get static from Comcast if they pay extra for it.
That's also true for Charter. I know of one ISP offering DSL that gives
its customers static addresses. Only one. That doesn't mean there
aren't more that do.
On 3/1/15 7:24 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Asymmetric measured where? Between client and server or between
> servers? I'm thinking the case where we each have a server running
> locally - how do you get a high level of asymmetry in a P2P environment?
The most densly connected relays
On 03/01/2015 01:44 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> fairly certain that none of these folk block port 25 on their business
> customer links.
Correct as far as Charter goes. Particularly for people with dedicated
IP addresses, as I do. I can't speak for DHCP address space.
On 3/1/15 1:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> It was the combination of asymmetric, no or few IPs (and NAT), and
>>> bandwidth caps.
>>
>> let's not rewrite history here: IPv4 address scarcity has been a thing
>> since the very early 1990s. Otherwise why would cidr have been created?
>
> CIDR had not
> On Mar 1, 2015, at 17:58 , John R. Levine wrote:
>
>>> As I said above, retail customers. Business customers get static IPs and
>>> generaly no blocking.
>
>> Business customers only get static from Comcast if they pay extra for it.
>
> I'm in a T-W area, haven't checked Comcast's prices l
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 14:01 , John R. Levine wrote:
>>
>> Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
>> currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
>
> Unfortunately, that's not entirely
As I said above, retail customers. Business customers get static IPs and
generaly no blocking.
Business customers only get static from Comcast if they pay extra for it.
I'm in a T-W area, haven't checked Comcast's prices lately. But if you
don't have a static IP, it's a poor idea to try t
> On Mar 1, 2015, at 14:01 , John R. Levine wrote:
>
> Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
> currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. (Very) recent direct-to-MX spam
from Comcast
On 3/1/15, 4:44 PM, "Christopher Morrow" wrote:
>>>Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. (Very) recent direct-to-MX
>>>spam
>>>from Comcast customers:
>fairly certain that none of these folk block port 25 on their business
>customer links.
Bingo! Yes, commercial customers do run mail servers
Frank was the most vocal…
the biggest cidr deployment issue was hardware vendors with “baked-in”
assumptions about addressing. IPv6 is doing the same thing with its /64
nonsense.
/bill
PO Box 12317
Marina del Rey, CA 90295
310.322.8102
On 1March2015Sunday, at 13:37, David Conrad wrote:
>> O
Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. (Very) recent direct-to-MX spam
from Comcast customers:
Well, it's supposed to be blocked, according to people I've talked
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:25 PM, John Levine wrote:
> In article <20150301124846.ga16...@gsp.org> you write:
>>On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:03:28PM -0500, John R. Levine wrote:
>>> Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
>>> currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retai
> On Mar 1, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>>> It was the combination of asymmetric, no or few IPs (and NAT), and
>>> bandwidth caps.
>>
>> let's not rewrite history here: IPv4 address scarcity has been a thing
>> since the very early 1990s. Otherwise why would cidr have been created?
>
>> It was the combination of asymmetric, no or few IPs (and NAT), and
>> bandwidth caps.
>
> let's not rewrite history here: IPv4 address scarcity has been a thing
> since the very early 1990s. Otherwise why would cidr have been created?
CIDR had nothing to do with address scarcity. CIDR was inv
In article <20150301124846.ga16...@gsp.org> you write:
>On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:03:28PM -0500, John R. Levine wrote:
>> Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
>> currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
>
>Unfortunately, that's not entirely true.
In article <54f32f1a.9090...@meetinghouse.net> you write:
>Scott,
>
>Asymmetric measured where? Between client and server or between
>servers? I'm thinking the case where we each have a server running
>locally - how do you get a high level of asymmetry in a P2P environment?
There's always a lo
Hey Barry - you ran some rather huge NNTP servers, back in the day, you
have any comments on this?
Scott Helms wrote:
Miles,
Usenet was normally asymmetrical between servers, even when server
operators try to seed equally as being fed. It's a function of how a
few servers are the source ori
I am not normally, willingly, on nanog. My emailbox is full enough. I
am responding, mostly, to a post I saw last night, where the author
complained about the horrid performance he got when attempting a
simultaneous up and download on a X/512k upload DSL link.
That is so totally fixable now, at sp
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:03:28PM -0500, John R. Levine wrote:
>> Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
>> currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
>
> Unfortunately, that's not entirely true.
On 03/01/2015 08:19 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
Michael,
Then you understand that having the upstreams and downstreams use the
same frequencies, especially in a flexible manner, would require
completely redesigning every diplex filter, amplifier, fiber node, and
tap filters in the plant. At the
On 3/1/2015 10:01 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:
They didn't want to give channels for internet bandwidth either. Life
would have been
*far* more simple had the MSO's not *forced* the hardware designer to
use their crappy
noisy back channel, such as it was. The move from analog -- which was
happe
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Neutrality
You do of course realize that the asymmetry in
and it would have happened.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said earlier, there are only so many channels
Michael,
Then you understand that having the upstreams and downstreams use the same
frequencies, especially in a flexible manner, would require completely
redesigning every diplex filter, amplifier, fiber node, and tap filters in
the plant. At the same time we'd have to replace all of the modems,
On 01/03/2015 03:41, Barry Shein wrote:
> On February 28, 2015 at 23:20 n...@foobar.org (Nick Hilliard) wrote:
> > there were several reasons for asymmetric services, one of which was
> > commercial. Another was that most users' bandwidth profiles were massively
> > asymmetric to start with so
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