Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-22 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. 



> On Oct 22, 2020, at 1:20 AM, C. A. Fillekes  wrote:
> 
> the subgroup for networks on aspherical planetoids would be EGGNOG -- we only 
> meet during the holidays



This should have come with a C warning! 

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Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-22 Thread Bryan Holloway 

Don't mess with Belters ...

On 10/22/20 9:20 AM, C. A. Fillekes wrote:


the subgroup for networks on aspherical planetoids would be EGGNOG -- we 
only meet during the holiays


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:59 PM Mark Andrews > wrote:


It wouldn’t be NANOG.  Perhaps LUNOG or MOONOG.

 > On 22 Oct 2020, at 14:07, scott weeks mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com>> wrote:
 >
 >
 > *From:* NANOG mailto:gmail@nanog.org>> on behalf of Rod Beck
mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>>
 >>

https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/
 > 
 >
 > On 10/21/20 2:27 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
 >
 > Right. This means we are going to catch a spaceship for a future
nanog / have
 > interplanetary governance federation debates with space aliens
from Andromeda,
 > and we will finally run out of v6 and ipv9 will rule the roost
while there’s a
 > substantial aftermarket + hijack scene going on for the last
remaining v6 blocks.
 > 
 >
 >
 > More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon:
 >
 >

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/oct/20/talking-on-the-moon-nasa-and-nokia-to-install-4g-on-lunar-surface
 > (Everyone on the moon will want to have access to LOL cats!)
 >
 > Or... using DTN (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dtn/about) to
reach Mars and other
 > planets by being relayed through communications relay satellites
similar to the
 > Mars Telecommunication Orbiter (canceled),  Mars Odyssey or Mars
 > Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.
 >
 > Or... IP to robots visiting other non-planet objects in the solar
system like
 > comets/asteroids:
 > https://spacenews.com/osiris-rex-touches-down-on-asteroid
 > https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47293317
 >
 > Or... 
 >
 > The IPI idea has been around for a long time now:
 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet
 >
 > The main question is will NANOG On The Road meet on the moon?  I
missed
 > the only Hawaii one, so maybe I could make the moon one!
 >
 > scott

-- 
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1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742              INTERNET: ma...@isc.org

Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-22 Thread John Levine 
In article <9ed99fde-19f1-96cc-1021-3420dc492...@mauigateway.com> you write:
>More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon:

Ah, right.  There was news about that earlier this week:

https://www.theonion.com/nasa-builds-4g-tower-on-moon-tastefully-disguised-as-pi-1845414052

R's,
John

Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-22 Thread Alain Hebert 

    This will deprecated RFC1149, 2549 and 6214 :(

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On 2020-10-22 03:20, C. A. Fillekes wrote:


the subgroup for networks on aspherical planetoids would be EGGNOG -- 
we only meet during the holiays


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:59 PM Mark Andrews > wrote:


It wouldn’t be NANOG. Perhaps LUNOG or MOONOG.

> On 22 Oct 2020, at 14:07, scott weeks mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com>> wrote:
>
>
> *From:* NANOG mailto:gmail@nanog.org>> on behalf of Rod Beck
mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>>
>>

https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/
> 
>
> On 10/21/20 2:27 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>
> Right. This means we are going to catch a spaceship for a future
nanog / have
> interplanetary governance federation debates with space aliens
from Andromeda,
> and we will finally run out of v6 and ipv9 will rule the roost
while there’s a
> substantial aftermarket + hijack scene going on for the last
remaining v6 blocks.
> 
>
>
> More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon:
>
>

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/oct/20/talking-on-the-moon-nasa-and-nokia-to-install-4g-on-lunar-surface
> (Everyone on the moon will want to have access to LOL cats!)
>
> Or... using DTN (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dtn/about) to
reach Mars and other
> planets by being relayed through communications relay satellites
similar to the
> Mars Telecommunication Orbiter (canceled),  Mars Odyssey or Mars
> Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.
>
> Or... IP to robots visiting other non-planet objects in the
solar system like
> comets/asteroids:
> https://spacenews.com/osiris-rex-touches-down-on-asteroid
> https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47293317
>
> Or... 
>
> The IPI idea has been around for a long time now:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet
>
> The main question is will NANOG On The Road meet on the moon?  I
missed
> the only Hawaii one, so maybe I could make the moon one!
>
> scott

-- 
Mark Andrews, ISC

1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742              INTERNET: ma...@isc.org

Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-22 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG 
NASOG

-- 
 J. Hellenthal

The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a 
lot about anticipated traffic volume.

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 22:59, Mark Andrews  wrote:
> 
> It wouldn’t be NANOG.  Perhaps LUNOG or MOONOG.
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2020, at 14:07, scott weeks  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* NANOG  on behalf of Rod 
>> Beck 
>>> https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/21/20 2:27 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>> 
>> Right. This means we are going to catch a spaceship for a future nanog / have
>> interplanetary governance federation debates with space aliens from 
>> Andromeda,
>> and we will finally run out of v6 and ipv9 will rule the roost while there’s 
>> a
>> substantial aftermarket + hijack scene going on for the last remaining v6 
>> blocks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon:
>> 
>> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/oct/20/talking-on-the-moon-nasa-and-nokia-to-install-4g-on-lunar-surface
>> (Everyone on the moon will want to have access to LOL cats!)
>> 
>> Or... using DTN (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dtn/about) to reach Mars 
>> and other
>> planets by being relayed through communications relay satellites similar to 
>> the
>> Mars Telecommunication Orbiter (canceled),  Mars Odyssey or Mars
>> Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.
>> 
>> Or... IP to robots visiting other non-planet objects in the solar system like
>> comets/asteroids:
>> https://spacenews.com/osiris-rex-touches-down-on-asteroid
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47293317
>> 
>> Or... 
>> 
>> The IPI idea has been around for a long time now:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet
>> 
>> The main question is will NANOG On The Road meet on the moon?  I missed
>> the only Hawaii one, so maybe I could make the moon one!
>> 
>> scott
> 
> -- 
> Mark Andrews, ISC
> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742  INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
> 


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Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-22 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian 
Perfect. Where do I sign up?

--srs

From: NANOG  on behalf of C. A. 
Fillekes 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 12:53 PM
To: Mark Andrews
Cc: NANOG mailing list
Subject: Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet


the subgroup for networks on aspherical planetoids would be EGGNOG -- we only 
meet during the holiays

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:59 PM Mark Andrews 
mailto:ma...@isc.org>> wrote:
It wouldn’t be NANOG.  Perhaps LUNOG or MOONOG.

> On 22 Oct 2020, at 14:07, scott weeks 
> mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com>> wrote:
>
>
> *From:* NANOG 
> mailto:gmail@nanog.org>> on 
> behalf of Rod Beck 
> mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>>
>> https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/
> 
>
> On 10/21/20 2:27 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>
> Right. This means we are going to catch a spaceship for a future nanog / have
> interplanetary governance federation debates with space aliens from Andromeda,
> and we will finally run out of v6 and ipv9 will rule the roost while there’s a
> substantial aftermarket + hijack scene going on for the last remaining v6 
> blocks.
> 
>
>
> More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon:
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/oct/20/talking-on-the-moon-nasa-and-nokia-to-install-4g-on-lunar-surface
> (Everyone on the moon will want to have access to LOL cats!)
>
> Or... using DTN (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dtn/about) to reach Mars and 
> other
> planets by being relayed through communications relay satellites similar to 
> the
> Mars Telecommunication Orbiter (canceled),  Mars Odyssey or Mars
> Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.
>
> Or... IP to robots visiting other non-planet objects in the solar system like
> comets/asteroids:
> https://spacenews.com/osiris-rex-touches-down-on-asteroid
> https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47293317
>
> Or... 
>
> The IPI idea has been around for a long time now:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet
>
> The main question is will NANOG On The Road meet on the moon?  I missed
> the only Hawaii one, so maybe I could make the moon one!
>
> scott

--
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742  INTERNET: 
ma...@isc.org<mailto:ma...@isc.org>

Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-22 Thread Rod Beck 
SPACOG. C'mon guys. Think Big!


From: NANOG  on behalf 
of Mark Andrews 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 5:56 AM
To: scott weeks 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

It wouldn’t be NANOG.  Perhaps LUNOG or MOONOG.

> On 22 Oct 2020, at 14:07, scott weeks  wrote:
>
>
> *From:* NANOG  on behalf of Rod 
> Beck 
>> https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/
> 
>
> On 10/21/20 2:27 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>
> Right. This means we are going to catch a spaceship for a future nanog / have
> interplanetary governance federation debates with space aliens from Andromeda,
> and we will finally run out of v6 and ipv9 will rule the roost while there’s a
> substantial aftermarket + hijack scene going on for the last remaining v6 
> blocks.
> 
>
>
> More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon:
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/oct/20/talking-on-the-moon-nasa-and-nokia-to-install-4g-on-lunar-surface
> (Everyone on the moon will want to have access to LOL cats!)
>
> Or... using DTN (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dtn/about) to reach Mars and 
> other
> planets by being relayed through communications relay satellites similar to 
> the
> Mars Telecommunication Orbiter (canceled),  Mars Odyssey or Mars
> Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.
>
> Or... IP to robots visiting other non-planet objects in the solar system like
> comets/asteroids:
> https://spacenews.com/osiris-rex-touches-down-on-asteroid
> https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47293317
>
> Or... 
>
> The IPI idea has been around for a long time now:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet
>
> The main question is will NANOG On The Road meet on the moon?  I missed
> the only Hawaii one, so maybe I could make the moon one!
>
> scott

--
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742  INTERNET: ma...@isc.org

Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-22 Thread C. A. Fillekes 
the subgroup for networks on aspherical planetoids would be EGGNOG -- we
only meet during the holiays

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:59 PM Mark Andrews  wrote:

> It wouldn’t be NANOG.  Perhaps LUNOG or MOONOG.
>
> > On 22 Oct 2020, at 14:07, scott weeks  wrote:
> >
> >
> > *From:* NANOG  on behalf
> of Rod Beck 
> >>
> https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/
> > 
> >
> > On 10/21/20 2:27 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> >
> > Right. This means we are going to catch a spaceship for a future nanog /
> have
> > interplanetary governance federation debates with space aliens from
> Andromeda,
> > and we will finally run out of v6 and ipv9 will rule the roost while
> there’s a
> > substantial aftermarket + hijack scene going on for the last remaining
> v6 blocks.
> > 
> >
> >
> > More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon:
> >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/oct/20/talking-on-the-moon-nasa-and-nokia-to-install-4g-on-lunar-surface
> > (Everyone on the moon will want to have access to LOL cats!)
> >
> > Or... using DTN (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dtn/about) to reach
> Mars and other
> > planets by being relayed through communications relay satellites similar
> to the
> > Mars Telecommunication Orbiter (canceled),  Mars Odyssey or Mars
> > Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.
> >
> > Or... IP to robots visiting other non-planet objects in the solar system
> like
> > comets/asteroids:
> > https://spacenews.com/osiris-rex-touches-down-on-asteroid
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47293317
> >
> > Or... 
> >
> > The IPI idea has been around for a long time now:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet
> >
> > The main question is will NANOG On The Road meet on the moon?  I missed
> > the only Hawaii one, so maybe I could make the moon one!
> >
> > scott
>
> --
> Mark Andrews, ISC
> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742  INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
>
>

Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-21 Thread Mark Andrews 
It wouldn’t be NANOG.  Perhaps LUNOG or MOONOG.

> On 22 Oct 2020, at 14:07, scott weeks  wrote:
> 
> 
> *From:* NANOG  on behalf of Rod 
> Beck 
>> https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/
> 
> 
> On 10/21/20 2:27 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> 
> Right. This means we are going to catch a spaceship for a future nanog / have
> interplanetary governance federation debates with space aliens from Andromeda,
> and we will finally run out of v6 and ipv9 will rule the roost while there’s a
> substantial aftermarket + hijack scene going on for the last remaining v6 
> blocks.
> 
> 
> 
> More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon:
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/oct/20/talking-on-the-moon-nasa-and-nokia-to-install-4g-on-lunar-surface
> (Everyone on the moon will want to have access to LOL cats!)
> 
> Or... using DTN (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dtn/about) to reach Mars and 
> other
> planets by being relayed through communications relay satellites similar to 
> the
> Mars Telecommunication Orbiter (canceled),  Mars Odyssey or Mars
> Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.
> 
> Or... IP to robots visiting other non-planet objects in the solar system like
> comets/asteroids:
> https://spacenews.com/osiris-rex-touches-down-on-asteroid
> https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47293317
> 
> Or... 
> 
> The IPI idea has been around for a long time now:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet
> 
> The main question is will NANOG On The Road meet on the moon?  I missed
> the only Hawaii one, so maybe I could make the moon one!
> 
> scott

-- 
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742  INTERNET: ma...@isc.org

Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-21 Thread scott weeks 



*From:* NANOG  on behalf of 
Rod Beck 

https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/



On 10/21/20 2:27 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

Right. This means we are going to catch a spaceship for a future nanog / 
have
interplanetary governance federation debates with space aliens from 
Andromeda,
and we will finally run out of v6 and ipv9 will rule the roost while 
there’s a
substantial aftermarket + hijack scene going on for the last remaining 
v6 blocks.




More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/oct/20/talking-on-the-moon-nasa-and-nokia-to-install-4g-on-lunar-surface
(Everyone on the moon will want to have access to LOL cats!)

Or... using DTN (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dtn/about) to reach 
Mars and other
planets by being relayed through communications relay satellites similar 
to the

Mars Telecommunication Orbiter (canceled),  Mars Odyssey or Mars
Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.

Or... IP to robots visiting other non-planet objects in the solar system 
like

comets/asteroids:
https://spacenews.com/osiris-rex-touches-down-on-asteroid
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47293317

Or... 

The IPI idea has been around for a long time now:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet

The main question is will NANOG On The Road meet on the moon?  I missed
the only Hawaii one, so maybe I could make the moon one!

scott

Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-21 Thread Joly MacFie 
It should be mentioned that the IPN SIG is lately revitalized, had
elections, and is actively forming Working Groups.

http://ipnsig.org/

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:20 PM Rod Beck 
wrote:

>
> https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/
>
> Roderick Beck
> VP of Business Development
>
> United Cable Company
>
> www.unitedcablecompany.com
>
> New York City & Budapest
>
> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>
> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>
> NJ: 908-452-8183
>
>
> [image: 1467221477350_image005.png]
>


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Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-21 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian 
Right. This means we are going to catch a spaceship for a future nanog / have 
interplanetary governance federation debates with space aliens from Andromeda, 
and we will finally run out of v6 and ipv9 will rule the roost while there’s a 
substantial aftermarket + hijack scene going on for the last remaining v6 
blocks.

--srs

From: NANOG  on behalf of Rod Beck 

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 4:50:25 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/


Roderick Beck

VP of Business Development

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com<http://www.unitedcablecompany.com>

New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183


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Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

2020-10-21 Thread Rod Beck 
https://www.quantamagazine.org/vint-cerfs-plan-for-building-an-internet-in-space-20201021/


Roderick Beck

VP of Business Development

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com

New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183


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