Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-15 Thread Abraham Y. Chen
Hi, Warren: 1)    "  not intended to be endorsement…":     Fully agreed. 2)    "Implying that it is is disingenuous…   ":     Again, I fully agree. 3)    Note that I only stated "It opened our eyes about what were the implications of EzIP ...   ". It was an education moment that was more

Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-15 Thread Abraham Y. Chen
Hi, Tom: 1)    "  Vint told you the same thing other people have been telling you for years. You don't seem to name drop anyone else. Weird.   ":     As far as we are aware of, Vint was the first and only person who branded EzIP as an "overlay" network. Please identify who else said the

Re: classic mail, was Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread John Levine
It appears that Randy Bush said: >> Some of us still use pine$B!D(B > >i thought most pine users had moved to mutt Some, but pine (now called alpine) is still actively maintained and does some things better than mutt, particularly if you want to keep track of multiple inboxes on different

Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 9:48 AM, Tom Beecher wrote: > Vint told you the same thing other people have been telling you for years. > You don't seem to name drop anyone else. Weird. > Indeed — Vint made an observation, but this was not intended to be endorsement… Implying that it is is

Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
> Some of us still use pine… i thought most pine users had moved to mutt randy, who uses wanderlust under emacs :)

Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread Mike Lyon
Some of us still use pine…-MikeOn Jan 13, 2024, at 12:57, Abraham Y. Chen wrote: Hi, Gary: 0)    My apologies! 1)    I thought that I am one of only a few who insist on using the most basic tools that get the job done, such preferring hand tools than

Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 6:32 AM Christopher Hawker wrote: > Further, over the last three days you've changed the subject > line of the thread at least 12 times. Can you please stop changing > it because every time you do, it starts a new thread and makes it > rather difficult to keep track of

Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread Abraham Y. Chen
Hi, Gary: 0)    My apologies! 1)    I thought that I am one of only a few who insist on using the most basic tools that get the job done, such preferring hand tools than power tools if possible. I believed that the ThunderBird eMail client software was pretty basic. Your message just reminds

Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Abraham! On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 07:35:09 -0500 "Abraham Y. Chen" wrote: >     FYI - Please see the below copy of a partial eMail thread. Bold, > red colored and Italicized letters are to focus on the topic. Uh, you realize many of us never see your red or italics? RGDS GARY

Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread Tom Beecher
Vint told you the same thing other people have been telling you for years. You don't seem to name drop anyone else. Weird. Respectfully, you have no credibility in this area. I happened to notice this gem re-reading your draft last night, A.1.1. T1a Initiates a Session Request towards T4a > >

Re: Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread Christopher Hawker
Implementing EzIP, as Forrest mentioned 3 days ago, has far more challenges than implementing IPv6. It will also cause far more incompatibilities when it comes to routing traffic between a network which has implemented it and one that hasn't. It also sounds like another version of NAT,

Vint Cerf Re: Backward Compatibility Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-13 Thread Abraham Y. Chen
Hi, Tom: 1)    " ...  Implying that Vint Cerf ever said anything about EzIP ... ":     FYI - Please see the below copy of a partial eMail thread. Bold, red colored and Italicized letters are to focus on the topic. *** internetpol...@elist.isoc.orgeMail thread On 2021-10-18