Re: cloud backup

[Randy Bush]

> Just out of curiosity, do you folks encrypt the data prior to upload
> to the cloud

uh, ja

Re: cloud backup

[Mark Tinka]

On 27/Jul/20 13:49, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, do you folks encrypt the data prior to upload to the
> cloud (especially when uploading to folks like aws/google/ms/(facebook))? 
> Was wondering if these folks provide encryption of stored data - quick
> google search suggests that google does not. 

Personally, this is why I don't like to put my data in the cloud. Not
that they don't encrypt (or do)... it's just too much black art.

I'll still invest in hard drives and lock safes.

The most I've done with a cloud is iCloud - to sync. the phone book and
calendar between devices :-). Got no issue with losing that...

YMMV.

Mark.

RE: cloud backup

[adamv0025]

> Randy Bush
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 9:10 PM
> 
> i backup using arq on macos catalina.  on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb
max.
> google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb).
> backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo).
> anyone else done a similar analysis?
> 
Just out of curiosity, do you folks encrypt the data prior to upload to the
cloud (especially when uploading to folks like aws/google/ms/(facebook))? 
Was wondering if these folks provide encryption of stored data - quick
google search suggests that google does not. 


adam

Re: cloud backup

[Mark Tinka]

On 27/Jul/20 03:06, Eric Tykwinski wrote:
> I’m in the same boat, and sadly I still run VoIP for my house because
> why not…

Same here.

We cut the PSTN line 3 years ago, and moved to VoIP. We hardly use it,
since we have cellphones, but indeed, why not?

Mark.

Re: cloud backup

[Mark Tinka]

On 26/Jul/20 23:44, John Sage wrote:

>
> That awkward moment when someone apparently thinks that the author of:
>
> A Basic FidoNet(r) Technical Standard
> Revision 16
> by
> Randy Bush, Pacific Systems Group
> September 30, 1995
>
> is...
>
> ...what was the word?
>
> A "newbie"?
>
> hmm...

The Internet is always the Internet. What others do with it for it to
add value to lives is a different thing.

Almost everyone can offer something as simple as a web-based e-mail
service. There aren't many companies that can offer a decent cloud
backup solution, for the price. Much in the same way we discuss the
limited number of VoD service providers on this list, for one reason or
another. Or equipment vendors. Or CDN providers. Or...

The Internet is pointless if we don't derive some utility from it. That
that utility is given a product name should not be seen as evil, until
that company comes on here to market it themselves, of course.

Mark.

Re: cloud backup

[Eric Tykwinski]

I’m in the same boat, and sadly I still run VoIP for my house because why not…
I hate the canary in networking with a passion, but still I find it’s internal 
problems 99% of the time and I still have to deal with it.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300

> On Jul 26, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Michael Thomas  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 7/26/20 3:30 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> well, i was once given a tee shirt which said
>> 
>>   "i may have helped build the information
>>superhighway, but i can not drive a car" :)
>> 
> When I was working on carrier VoIP in the early days at Cisco, i was like 
> "wait, why am i doing this? i don't even like phones."
> 
> Mike
> 

Re: cloud backup

[Michael Thomas]

On 7/26/20 3:30 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

well, i was once given a tee shirt which said

   "i may have helped build the information
superhighway, but i can not drive a car" :)

When I was working on carrier VoIP in the early days at Cisco, i was 
like "wait, why am i doing this? i don't even like phones."


Mike

Re: cloud backup

[Randy Bush]

well, i was once given a tee shirt which said

  "i may have helped build the information
   superhighway, but i can not drive a car" :)

after work, a time which rarely occurs, we're all
end users.  and if you're not concerned about
backup, ...

randy

RE: cloud backup

[Tony Wicks]

"newbie product" NEQ "newbie user"

-Original Message-
From: John Sage  
Sent: Monday, 27 July 2020 9:45 am
To: Tony Wicks ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: cloud backup


A "newbie"?

Re: cloud backup

[John Sage]

On 7/26/20 1:45 PM, Tony Wicks wrote:

Did I miss something? Is this list now the newbie product questions list?



That awkward moment when someone apparently thinks that the author of:

A Basic FidoNet(r) Technical Standard
Revision 16
by
Randy Bush, Pacific Systems Group
September 30, 1995

is...

...what was the word?

A "newbie"?

hmm...


- John
--
John Sage

Re: cloud backup

[Michael Thomas]

On 7/26/20 1:52 PM, Rob Szarka wrote:

On 2020-07-26 16:39, Michael Thomas wrote:


On 7/26/20 1:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb
max.  google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for
2tb).  backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo).
anyone else done a similar analysis?


AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup 
AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you 
an idea of what it is.


Mike

The other issue with Glacier is that you have to keep old versions 
around for (IIRC) 6 months to avoid being charged extra, which can 
really add up for weekly backups or what-have-you.


I'm looking at a switch from AWS to B2 myself. I use Backblaze's 
desktop product on a Windows machine and love it.


Another possibility for sync similar to Google Drive is Jottacloud. 
Haven't tried it myself, but it looks very competitive for personal 
stuff. https://www.jottacloud.com/en/



Yeah, with AWS you have to be extremely careful because they meter 
*everything*. They are the new phone company.


Mike

Re: cloud backup

[Michael Thomas]

On 7/26/20 1:44 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:

Michael Thomas wrote on 26/07/2020 21:39:
AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup 
AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you 
an idea of what it is.


how much does a full restore cost with these options?



Dunno, you can use their calculator to model options though.

https://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html

Mike

Re: cloud backup

[Rob Szarka]

On 2020-07-26 16:39, Michael Thomas wrote:


On 7/26/20 1:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

i backup using arq on macos catalina.  on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb
max.  google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for
2tb).  backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo).
anyone else done a similar analysis?


AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup 
AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you 
an idea of what it is.


Mike

The other issue with Glacier is that you have to keep old versions 
around for (IIRC) 6 months to avoid being charged extra, which can 
really add up for weekly backups or what-have-you.


I'm looking at a switch from AWS to B2 myself. I use Backblaze's desktop 
product on a Windows machine and love it.


Another possibility for sync similar to Google Drive is Jottacloud. 
Haven't tried it myself, but it looks very competitive for personal 
stuff. https://www.jottacloud.com/en/


Rob

--
Rob Szarka
http://szarka.org/

Re: cloud backup

[Dovid Bender]

Questions are asked here because of the variety of expertise that there is
here. I personally have gained a lot from the side lines seeing questions
and responses to items not directly related to bytes traveling over a wire.



On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Tony Wicks  wrote:

> Did I miss something? Is this list now the newbie product questions list?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG  On Behalf Of
> Sent: Monday, 27 July 2020 8:40 am
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: cloud backup
>
>
>

RE: cloud backup

[Tony Wicks]

Did I miss something? Is this list now the newbie product questions list?

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Sent: Monday, 27 July 2020 8:40 am
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: cloud backup

Re: cloud backup

[Brandon Svec]

I recently read about a way to get unlimited Google storage for $12 per month. 
Yes, really unlimited. I haven’t tried it, but my understanding is that it is 
based on 5 user or less GSuite account and they don’t enforce storage limits.  
If you have .edu email you may be able to get 100% free. Sorry, I can’t find 
the link now but it was discussed on reddit somewhere. 

Brandon Svec 



> On Jul 26, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Randy Bush  wrote:
> 
> i backup using arq on macos catalina.  on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb
> max.  google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for
> 2tb).  backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo).
> anyone else done a similar analysis?
> 
> randy

Re: cloud backup

[Nick Hilliard]

Michael Thomas wrote on 26/07/2020 21:39:
AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup 
AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you an 
idea of what it is.


how much does a full restore cost with these options?

Nick

Re: cloud backup

[Michael Thomas]

On 7/26/20 1:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

i backup using arq on macos catalina.  on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb
max.  google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for
2tb).  backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo).
anyone else done a similar analysis?


AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup 
AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you an 
idea of what it is.


Mike

Re: cloud backup

[John Kinsella]

I’ve used Backblaze Backup (not b2 - 
https://www.backblaze.com/backup-pricing.html 
)  for years across multiple 
Macs and multiple restores. It’s always worked flawlessly for me.

I’ve eyed Wasabi recently that David mentioned, but haven’t tested in out yet.

> On Jul 26, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Randy Bush  wrote:
> 
> i backup using arq on macos catalina.  on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb
> max.  google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for
> 2tb).  backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo).
> anyone else done a similar analysis?
> 
> randy

Re: cloud backup

[Dovid Bender]

https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/#three-info



On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 4:09 PM Randy Bush  wrote:

> i backup using arq on macos catalina.  on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb
> max.  google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for
> 2tb).  backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo).
> anyone else done a similar analysis?
>
> randy
>

cloud backup

[Randy Bush]

i backup using arq on macos catalina.  on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb
max.  google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for
2tb).  backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo).
anyone else done a similar analysis?

randy