Re: Dark Fiber in DC Metro

all, > > does anyone has a recommendation for a Dark Fiber provider in the DC Metro > (Ashburn/Reston) area? Preferably an easy to work with one. :-) > > Appreciate any hints, thanks! > > Best regards, > Theo Voss

Re: Dark Fiber in DC Metro

.org Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 6:29:38 AM Subject: Dark Fiber in DC Metro Hi all, does anyone has a recommendation for a Dark Fiber provider in the DC Metro (Ashburn/Reston) area? Preferably an easy to work with one. :-) Appreciate any hints, thanks! Best regards, Theo Voss

Dark Fiber in DC Metro

Hi all, does anyone has a recommendation for a Dark Fiber provider in the DC Metro (Ashburn/Reston) area? Preferably an easy to work with one. :-) Appreciate any hints, thanks! Best regards, Theo Voss

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

no longer able to order dark fiber: https://www.fcc.gov/clli-code-list It seems odd as I look through there, finding COs with no competitive fiber and yet, they're on the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

"I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber loops to end user customers at any kind of reasonable product-scale". Sorry; didn't know I had to show my work here. :-) Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - > From: "Eric Kuhnke" > To: &quo

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

Any regional ILEC spanning at least a few counties in size will have some amount of inter-CO dark fiber, whether they want to sell it to any 3rd parties is entirely another question. On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Jay Ashworth wrote: > I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to of

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

- Original Message - > From: "Brandon Martin" > On 8/3/22 11:16, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber, >> since air distribution fan out is all GPON, is it not? >> >> If their fanout was activ

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

On 8/3/22 11:16, Jay Ashworth wrote: I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber, since air distribution fan out is all GPON, is it not? If their fanout was active ethernet it might be a different story but... They have access to/control of a large amount of mid-mile

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber, since air distribution fan out is all GPON, is it not? If their fanout was active ethernet it might be a different story but... Cheers, -- jra On July 13, 2022 7:40:47 AM EDT, Mike Hammett wrote: >I'm looking for a cont

RE: Frontier Dark Fiber

Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 2:24 PM To: Paul Timmins Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber Here's the list of CLLI codes where you're no longer able to order dark fiber: https://www.fcc.gov/clli-code-list It seems odd as I look through there, finding COs

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

Here's the list of CLLI codes where you're no longer able to order dark fiber: https://www.fcc.gov/clli-code-list It seems odd as I look through there, finding COs with no competitive fiber and yet, they're on the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

Unless you are a *significant* sized regional operator in an area that overlaps with Frontier's ILEC territory is it unlikely in the extreme that they would want to rent you some dark fiber or issue a quote for it. Or some kind of very large enterprise customer that Frontier will take seriously

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

The ICA was signed in 2003 or 2004 with dark fiber in it. Ahh, but maybe 2021 killed it. Well, most of the ones I'm looking at would be interoffice, not so much loops. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

-of-next-generation-networks-and-services There's an 8 year transition for existing unbundled dark fiber (February 28, 2029). Dark fiber loops were dead in 2002 under the TRRO. On 7/13/22 07:45, Mike Hammett wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA has it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

ntier Dark Fiber I'm looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark fiber. My current account exec says they don't offer it, yet prior conversations with him and a previous SE revealed that they very much did (just didn't have availability on the paths I wanted at the time). Thei

Frontier Dark Fiber

I'm looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark fiber. My current account exec says they don't offer it, yet prior conversations with him and a previous SE revealed that they very much did (just didn't have availability on the paths I wanted at the time). Their web site

SF DigitalRealty <> Equinix PAIX Dark Fiber

Hello NANOG, I’m looking for dark fiber providers between: Digital Realty at 200 Paul Ave, San Francisco & Equinix SV8/PAIX at 529 Bryant St, Palo Alto I am looking for 2 strands (simplex count). I’m already in talks with Zayo and Wave (known as Astound now) but am checking to

Paris Dark Fiber Providers

Please contact off list. Looking to understand the competitive landscape. I used to live there, but it was over ten years ago. Particularly in commercial flexible and nimble players with unique physical assets like rights of way diverse to the usual suspects. Best, Roderick. Roderick Beck

Re: Amsterdam Dark Fiber

Hi, Back in the day when I still lived there, Level 3 was also known to have fiber in the area. Depending on your needs, Equinix offers dark fiber between (some of) their locations, and Relined(.eu) has a nationwide fiber network. You can also check out irc, irc.nlnog.net, #nlnog

Amsterdam Dark Fiber

Please contact offlist. Looking for dark fiber in Amsterdam. Eurofiber has traditionally dominated this market. Who else competes in this market? Roderick Beck VP of Business Development United Cable Company www.unitedcablecompany.com<http://www.unitedcablecompany.com> New Yor

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

--- Hello NANOG! I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark fiber. Since there are no 100G pluggable optics with this reach (~25 dB), I have been offered coherent transport systems to solve my problem. This is all good and well, except total system costs

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

ote: > > Hello NANOG! > > I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark fiber. Since there are no 100G > pluggable optics with this reach (~25 dB), I have been offered coherent > transport systems to solve my problem. This is all good and well, except > total system costs star

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

Hi Jared, Easiest thing would be breaking into sub-100G channels (e.g. 4x 25G) and using DWDM optics + Amp + Compensation + Pre-Amp to transport it across the 100km. Same parts for all configs: *) 1x Amplifier => 1 slot *) 1x 100km dispersion compensation => separate 1U *) 1x Pre-Amplifier => 1

Re: dark fiber connection between 111 E 8th and Coresite NYC1 or NYC2

You can visit https://live.infrapedia.com (no login required anymore..) and see the providers On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 18:15 Eric Germann wrote: > Looking for a recommendation of a provider who can give us a dark fiber > cross connect or an L2 connection between the two in the subject for

Re: dark fiber connection between 111 E 8th and Coresite NYC1 or NYC2

.org Subject: dark fiber connection between 111 E 8th and Coresite NYC1 or NYC2 Looking for a recommendation of a provider who can give us a dark fiber cross connect or an L2 connection between the two in the subject for an AWS Direct Connect out of Coresite Thanks Eric

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

Very impressive! Can you share your fiber type and link-loss? —L.B. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO b...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.” FCC License KJ6FJJ > On Oct 30,

dark fiber connection between 111 E 8th and Coresite NYC1 or NYC2

Looking for a recommendation of a provider who can give us a dark fiber cross connect or an L2 connection between the two in the subject for an AWS Direct Connect out of Coresite Thanks Eric

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

Hi, On 30-10-2020 15:33, Dale W. Carder wrote: You may also find that 100G PAM4 could work. There are some vendors that sell the optic, and an outboard EDFA + DCF pizza box. We are about to deploy these on a couple of dark fibers:

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

The 100 km leg completes a ring.   Jared   Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 From: "Ben Cannon" To: "Jared Brown" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber You could break this into 10x 10g coherent lanes, but you’re going to end up back close to

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

hey, If it’s just a single 100G channel needed you could try 100GBASE-ZR4. Specified for 80km, 30db power budget they could actually reach more the 80km. Dispersion should also be „no" problem in the 1310nm length. I have to say that I never tried this on 100km distance without coherent

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark fiber. Since there are no 100G > pluggable optics with this reach (~25 dB), I have been offered coherent > transport systems to solve my problem. This is all good and well, except > total system costs start from high five figures. > > So, my q

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

Dale W. Carder wrote on 30/10/2020 14:33: You may also find that 100G PAM4 could work. not at 100km. This would be outside the dispersion tolerance limits for pam4. Nick

RE: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

red Brown > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 3:19 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber > > Hello NANOG! > > I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark fiber. Since there are no 100G > pluggable optics with this reach (~25 dB), I have been offered cohe

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

On 10/30/20 10:27 AM, Vincentz Petzholtz wrote: If it’s just a single 100G channel needed you could try 100GBASE-ZR4. Specified for 80km, 30db power budget they could actually reach more the 80km. Dispersion should also be „no" problem in the 1310nm length. I have to say that I never tried

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

You may also find that 100G PAM4 could work. There are some vendors that sell the optic, and an outboard EDFA + DCF pizza box. Dale Thus spake Tarko Tikan (ta...@lanparty.ee) on Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 04:25:58PM +0200: > hey, > > > I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

erent solutions. Best regards, Vincentz PS: https://www.flexoptix.net/en/transceiver/q-161hg-80.html?co10728=100306 > Am 30.10.2020 um 15:19 schrieb Jared Brown : > > Hello NANOG! > > I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark fiber. Since there are no 100G > pluggable optics with

Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber

hey, I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark fiber. Since there are no 100G pluggable optics with this reach (~25 dB), I have been offered coherent transport systems to solve my problem. This is all good and well, except total system costs start from high five figures. 100G-ZR4 QSFP28

100G over 100 km of dark fiber

Hello NANOG! I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark fiber. Since there are no 100G pluggable optics with this reach (~25 dB), I have been offered coherent transport systems to solve my problem. This is all good and well, except total system costs start from high five figures. So, my question

Re: New Jersey dark fiber

Love it, great resource Mehmet! -Ben > On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Mehmet Akcin wrote: > >  > hi Ben, > > https://live.infrapedia.com - free & open source platform has more than 3 > other alternatives in this area, please take a look. > > new beta https://beta.infrapedia.com > >> On

Re: New Jersey dark fiber

hi Ben, https://live.infrapedia.com - free & open source platform has more than 3 other alternatives in this area, please take a look. new beta https://beta.infrapedia.com On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:22 AM Ben Cannon wrote: > Zayo and Crown both no-bid it, and crown has the old lighttower

New Jersey dark fiber

Zayo and Crown both no-bid it, and crown has the old lighttower network. Are there any other dependable players for dark in south central NJ? -Ben

Re: Dallas Dark Fiber

7, 2019 at 3:26 PM JASON BOTHE via NANOG >> wrote: >> >>> Zayo, Consolidated and Crown Castle are my go-tos. They have the biggest >>> footprints in the DFW market. >>> >>> J~ >>> >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 14:20, Rod Beck >>> wr

Re: Dallas Dark Fiber

via NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote: Zayo, Consolidated and Crown Castle are my go-tos. They have the biggest footprints in the DFW market. J~ On Dec 17, 2019, at 14:20, Rod Beck mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote:  Hi, I want to understand the Dallas dark fiber

Re: Dallas Dark Fiber

Zayo, Consolidated and Crown Castle are my go-tos. They have the biggest >>> footprints in the DFW market. >>> >>> J~ >>> >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 14:20, Rod Beck >>> wrote: >>> >>>  >>> Hi, >>> >>> I want t

Re: Dallas Dark Fiber

9 at 3:26 PM JASON BOTHE via NANOG > wrote: > >> Zayo, Consolidated and Crown Castle are my go-tos. They have the biggest >> footprints in the DFW market. >> >> J~ >> >> On Dec 17, 2019, at 14:20, Rod Beck >> wrote: >> >>  >>

Re: Dallas Dark Fiber

t; On Dec 17, 2019, at 14:20, Rod Beck > wrote: > >  > Hi, > > I want to understand the Dallas dark fiber market. Who are the major > players? Who has done recent builds (2010 onward)? Who has 864 strand > cables for sale? Who has dense coverage with good manhole access to >

Re: Dallas Dark Fiber

Zayo, Consolidated and Crown Castle are my go-tos. They have the biggest footprints in the DFW market. J~ > On Dec 17, 2019, at 14:20, Rod Beck wrote: > >  > Hi, > > I want to understand the Dallas dark fiber market. Who are the major players? > Who has done recen

Dallas Dark Fiber

Hi, I want to understand the Dallas dark fiber market. Who are the major players? Who has done recent builds (2010 onward)? Who has 864 strand cables for sale? Who has dense coverage with good manhole access to buildings and utility structures? Thanks in advance. Regards, Roderick

Downtown Boston Dark Fiber Pricing

Hi, I have questions regarding IRU pricing in this market. Please contact off list. Thanks gang. Regards, Roderick. Roderick Beck VP of Business Development United Cable Company www.unitedcablecompany.com New York City & Budapest

Re: Doha dark fiber

yes. GBI http://www.gbiinc.com/ https://gbi.networkatlas.com/ (customized so you can view just their network rest of cables are at www.infrapedia.com ) if you need an intro to them, let me know mehmet On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 6:56 AM Pui Edylie wrote: > Anyone knows anyone has dark fi

Doha dark fiber

Anyone knows anyone has dark fiber in doha and has a pop in Singapore?Thank you.RegardsEdySent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

Re: Dark Fiber Providers - Domestic

. On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM, William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Rod Beck > <rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com> wrote: > > Who regulates and licenses dark fiber providers? Or does no one? > > Hi Rod, > > When they use p

Re: Dark Fiber Providers - Domestic

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Rod Beck <rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com> wrote: > Who regulates and licenses dark fiber providers? Or does no one? Hi Rod, When they use public rights of way (alongside roads for example), dark fiber providers are regulated by the state corporation c

Dark Fiber Providers - Domestic

Who regulates and licenses dark fiber providers? Or does no one? Roderick Beck Director of Global Sales United Cable Company www.unitedcablecompany.com<http://www.unitedcablecompany.com> New York City & Budapest rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com 36-30-859-5144 [1467221477350_image005.png]

Dark Fiber Ring - IRU

Looking for vendors who can do a ring from Hamilton to Toronto. 15 years. Only IRUs. I assume Zayo and Beanstalk can do it. Any other parties? Roderick Beck Director of Global Sales United Cable Company DRG Undersea Consulting Affiliate Member

RE: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification

goes down. Good luck with your quest -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 1:18 PM To: Jeremy <li...@freeheberg.com>; nanog@nanog.org list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark f

Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification

You will want to request an OTDR characterization of the dark fiber path from its owner. If you can post OTDR "shots" with full resolution images in a lossless image format to the list, we may be able to take a guess if the distance is feasible without amplification inline. For equipme

Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification

lists.na...@monmotha.net> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 12:41 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification > > On 12/23/2016 07:14 PM, Jeremy wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > First, i'm sorry for my english, i'm fren

Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification

25, 2016 12:41 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification On 12/23/2016 07:14 PM, Jeremy wrote: > Hi all, > > First, i'm sorry for my english, i'm french and i don't have a good > level in this language. But i want some informations

Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification

On 12/23/2016 07:14 PM, Jeremy wrote: Hi all, First, i'm sorry for my english, i'm french and i don't have a good level in this language. But i want some informations and i'm sure, someone will be give the good anwser about my question. So, i'm regarding to rent a dual dark fiber in France

Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification

ember 24, 2016 2:30:40 PM > Subject: Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification > Hello > > I have not done this as our links are not that long. However in theory > this is how I would do it. There are nice integrated solutions that will > do it as a black box, but someone

Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification

Den 24/12/2016 kl. 01.14 skrev Jeremy: Hi all, First, i'm sorry for my english, i'm french and i don't have a good level in this language. But i want some informations and i'm sure, someone will be give the good anwser about my question. So, i'm regarding to rent a dual dark fiber in France

DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification

Hi all, First, i'm sorry for my english, i'm french and i don't have a good level in this language. But i want some informations and i'm sure, someone will be give the good anwser about my question. So, i'm regarding to rent a dual dark fiber in France, the estimated distance is 225 Km

Re: Standard terminology for a dark fiber path?

. A Dark Fiber Circuit commonly refers to the service/product that was sold by or bought from a Service Provider. The Dark Fiber Circuits are turned over to the customer as a fiber span between point A and point Z. It should also be noted that the span can consist of 1 fiber or a pair of fiber

Re: Standard terminology for a dark fiber path?

ses but strand or (less common) span is the common > > term I've seen specifically for a passive piece of glass between two > > points. > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Fletcher Kittredge <fkitt...@gwi.net> > > wrote: > > > What is the standard

Re: Standard terminology for a dark fiber path?

i.net> > wrote: > > What is the standard terminology for strands of dark fiber spliced > together > > to form a continuous path between points A and Z? > > > > I have seen: > > > >- *fiber circuit* [but also seen used to denote a connection at the >

Re: Standard terminology for a dark fiber path?

IDK what elsewhere uses but strand or (less common) span is the common term I've seen specifically for a passive piece of glass between two points. On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Fletcher Kittredge <fkitt...@gwi.net> wrote: > What is the standard terminology for strands of dark fibe

Re: Standard terminology for a dark fiber path?

curity Engineer (410) 929-1838 anthonyrj...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Larry Sheldon <larryshel...@cox.net> wrote: > On 2/24/2016 14:55, Fletcher Kittredge wrote: > >> What is the standard terminology for strands of dark fiber spliced >> together >>

Re: Standard terminology for a dark fiber path?

On 2/24/2016 14:55, Fletcher Kittredge wrote: What is the standard terminology for strands of dark fiber spliced together to form a continuous path between points A and Z? I have seen: - *fiber circuit* [but also seen used to denote a connection at the network layer over a physical

Standard terminology for a dark fiber path?

What is the standard terminology for strands of dark fiber spliced together to form a continuous path between points A and Z? I have seen: - *fiber circuit* [but also seen used to denote a connection at the network layer over a physical fiber connection. This definition of circuit would

Dark Fiber in Latin America

All, I'm looking for some general information of a dark fiber provider in latin america countries namely Nicaragua and Costa Rica. Any info is greatly appreciated. Please contact me off list. thanks, -Beavis -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org

Re: Dark Fiber in Latin America

of a dark fiber provider in latin america countries namely Nicaragua and Costa Rica. Any info is greatly appreciated. Please contact me off list. thanks, -Beavis

RE: Dark Fiber in Latin America

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:45:06 -0430 From: alejandroacostaal...@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Dark Fiber in Latin America Hi Beavis, Just in case, there is a Lacnog mailing list.., the URL: https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lacnog In case you don't get

Indiana Dark Fiber

Any recommendations for dark fiber between Indianapolis and Fort Wayne? I see a few routes, but that doesn't mean they actually sell dark fiber. The company that we've partnered with asked a couple companies (Zayo, IFN and one of the Time Warners) and came up short. Seems odd because Zayo lists

Re: Indiana Dark Fiber

Hi Mike, Have you checked with Axia Technology Partners? www.axiatp.com They have fiber throughout Indiana. Doubtful they have their own dark fiber from Indy to Ft Wayne, but worth checking into! -- Jason Canady Unlimited Net, LLC www.unlimitednet.us twitter: @unlimitednet On Jan 31, 2015

Re: Indiana Dark Fiber

Mike, IFN is a rural service provider in Indiana that may have dark fiber or optical wave service where you need it. They are a member of a larger coop, Indatel Group. IG has a national fiber presence comprised of state to state telecom coops. http://ifncom.co/network/state-fiber-map/ http

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

folks building out fiber networks, who are very willing to share their experience and tell you what is working and what is not working. Working with Dark fiber can be as simple as you like, or as complicated as you want it to be. However this is one area that it is not un-common to make things appear

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

OutSide Plant design(OSP) is a specialized field worthy of significant study. The consequences of getting a OSP design wrong are much harder to fix than getting a network design wrong. You are designing for *20 years*. If you are at the point of asking a mailing list NANOG, which, um, is not

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

in regards to fiber networks. You might consider joining WISPA and or FISPA (two industry associations), where you have folks building out fiber networks, who are very willing to share their experience and tell you what is working and what is not working. Working with Dark fiber can

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

education in regards to fiber networks. You might consider joining WISPA and or FISPA (two industry associations), where you have folks building out fiber networks, who are very willing to share their experience and tell you what is working and what is not working. Working with Dark fiber

RE: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it? All: A job opportunity just came my way to work with 26 miles of dark fiber in and around a city in Texas. The intent is for me to deliver internet and private network services to business customers in this area. I relish

RE: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

-Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 9:26 PM To: Lorell Hathcock Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it? I would suggest that you do some

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

- From: Fletcher Kittredge fkitt...@gwi.net To: Lorell Hathcock lor...@hathcock.org Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:56:08 PM Subject: Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it? The below is a really sad story. Condolences on the coming

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

On 2014-11-10 15:35, Rob Seastrom wrote: While short and to the point, what Fletcher said is likely to be the best advice in this thread. Getting someone on staff who understands *both* outside plant architecture and balance sheets... and can co-develop a business model that involves the

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

. 3) Open access, preferably dark fiber. Long discussion, but I think there is a compelling case that the best systems are usually open access dark fiber. See flexibility and expandability above and network consolidation below. 4) Plan for network consolidation. Every other network built in the past

I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

All: A job opportunity just came my way to work with 26 miles of dark fiber in and around a city in Texas. The intent is for me to deliver internet and private network services to business customers in this area. I relish the thought of starting from scratch to build a network right from

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

...@hathcock.org wrote: All: A job opportunity just came my way to work with 26 miles of dark fiber in and around a city in Texas. The intent is for me to deliver internet and private network services to business customers in this area. I relish the thought of starting from scratch to build

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

Hi, 26 miles is not a long distance when working with fiber. I would have just one active POPs (or two for redundancy). Use DWDM to expand your 6 strands into as many links as you need. You could also use GPON with splitters, although that will only deliver 1 Gbps (on a shared 2.4 Gbps) at this

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:56:08 PM Subject: Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it? The below is a really sad story. Condolences on the coming trainwreck. I hope you get someone on staff or on consult that understands outside plant

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

. That being said, what suggestions does the group have for building a new network using existing dark fiber? MPLS backbone? Like all businesses these days, I will likely have to build the lit backbone as I add customers. So how would you recommend scaling the network? I have six strands

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

On Sun, 9 Nov 2014, Lorell Hathcock wrote: A job opportunity just came my way to work with 26 miles of dark fiber in and around a city in Texas. How is the outside plant being built and supported? Who fixes fiber cuts? Who manages the fiber-cut-fixers? Who monitors the network and handles

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

is working and what is not working. Working with Dark fiber can be as simple as you like, or as complicated as you want it to be. However this is one area that it is not un-common to make things appear a lot more expensive and complicated then what they have to be... Depending on what you

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

--- fkitt...@gwi.net wrote: From: Fletcher Kittredge fkitt...@gwi.net The below is a really sad story. Condolences on the coming trainwreck. I hope you get someone on staff or on consult that understands outside plant architecture, because it is much more important and complex topic than you

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber

Ah, the famous good-will of NANOG. I knew I would get some interesting responses. I was part of the Field Ops group of Enron Broadband years ago. We deployed DWDM extensively. Admittedly it has been a while. This 26 miles of dark fiber is deployed by a municipality in and around their fair

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber

:: Ah, the famous good-will of NANOG. But you got more of the good than the other. :: I knew I would get some interesting responses. And you got more of that than non-interesting... :-) scott

Dark fiber providers, Southern California

Who would I start talking to if I wanted to lease dark fiber from point to point? I'm located in San Diego and am interested in leasing fiber from major datacenters in SD and LA I found Freedom Telecommunications (http://freedomtelecommunications.com) - doubtless there are others I can

Re: Dark fiber usage info request - know-how pointers and experience sharing

Thank you all who answered. I got a few good leads to follow, and information on operation gotchas. ***Stefan

Dark fiber usage info request - know-how pointers and experience sharing

Looking at dark fiber leasing as an alternative for existing ISP-acquired MPLS, MetroE, P2P, etc. services. I would appreciate some pointers (links) into specific technologies used with dark fiber, as direct consumer (not ISP). I am not looking for the theory behind (C)DWDM, but rather real life

Re: Dark fiber usage info request - know-how pointers and experience sharing

In the USA the Federal School Lunch program has built out a parallel fiber network equal to or superior to telco fiber in many urban locations, under the E-Rate program. TheE-Rate backbone fiber is leased typically on a 10-20 year IRU basis. Sunesys is a provider of dark fiber, and their web site

Re: Dark fiber usage info request - know-how pointers and experience sharing

wrote: Looking at dark fiber leasing as an alternative for existing ISP-acquired MPLS, MetroE, P2P, etc. services. I would appreciate some pointers (links) into specific technologies used with dark fiber, as direct consumer (not ISP). I am not looking for the theory behind (C)DWDM, but rather real

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