Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread jim deleskie
There is a good reason there aren't LOTS of good neteng in the 30-35 or under 30 range with lots of experience. Its call the hell we went though for a while after 2000 working in this industry. Many of us lost jobs and couldn't find new ones. I know talented folks that had to go to delivering

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread shawn wilson
On Jun 11, 2015 7:07 AM, jim deleskie deles...@gmail.com wrote: There is a good reason there aren't LOTS of good neteng in the 30-35 or under 30 range with lots of experience. Its call the hell we went though for a while after 2000 working in this industry. Many of us lost jobs and couldn't

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread Rafael Possamai
[mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Soucy Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 7:37 AM To: William Waites Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... I really wonder how people get into this field today. It has gotten incredibly complex and I've been learning since before

RE: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread Steve Mikulasik
-Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Soucy Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 7:37 AM To: William Waites Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... I really wonder how people get into this field today. It has gotten incredibly complex

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread Ruairi Carroll
On 11 June 2015 at 06:46, Alex White-Robinson ale...@gmail.com wrote: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to have an appreciation of the past and how we got here, I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry have

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread William Waites
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:24:31 +0200, Ruairi Carroll ruairi.carr...@gmail.com said: What I found is that back in early-mid 00's, the industry was a black box. Unless you knew someone inside of the industry... I suspect this is partly a result of the consolidation that went on. In the

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread Ray Soucy
I really wonder how people get into this field today. It has gotten incredibly complex and I've been learning since before I was a teenager (back when it was much more simple). I'm 31 now, but I started getting into computers and specifically networking at a very young age (elementary school).

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread Ca By
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, Alex White-Robinson ale...@gmail.com wrote: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com javascript:; wrote: On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to have an appreciation of the past and how we got here, I think it's wise to also recognize we as an

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread Sina Owolabi
I'm curious. What reading and comprehension level does one need to be considered a network heavy? No snark, I really would like to know. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015, 6:01 AM Mark Foster blak...@blakjak.net wrote: On 11/06/2015 4:46 p.m., Alex White-Robinson wrote: Matthew Petach

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-11 Thread charles
As someone who is under 35, this comment strikes a chord with me. I started self-studying networking when I was 15ish, yet I had to wait until I was 26 before I could get a full time job in the industry. I even had to move out of my home country. Getting a solid start in the industry was

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-10 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Shane Ronan sh...@ronan-online.com When I was asked the default BGP timers across three different vendor platforms as measure of my networking ability during an interview, I replied saying I'd look them up if needed them. I was told I didn't understand

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-10 Thread goemon
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Shane Ronan sh...@ronan-online.com When I was asked the default BGP timers across three different vendor platforms as measure of my networking ability during an interview, I replied saying I'd look them up if needed

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-10 Thread Alex White-Robinson
Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to have an appreciation of the past and how we got here, I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry have some challenges bringing new blood in--and treating it too much like a sacred

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-10 Thread Mark Foster
On 11/06/2015 4:46 p.m., Alex White-Robinson wrote: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to have an appreciation of the past and how we got here, I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry have some challenges bringing

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-10 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Jun 10, 2015, at 11:18 AM, goe...@anime.net wrote: Indeed, the interview process is a two way street. Lets you evaluate who you would be working for -- or if you really would want to. I wrote most of a very long follow-up to this. But what it boils down to is: +10,000 For all of you

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-10 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 06/10/2015 07:47 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: Over the past 25 years or so, I can think of a half-dozen offers I've turned down because the employer failed the interview. (Which doesn't make me a geeenious ... just someone who values low blood pressure, and prefers an interesting work

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-10 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: [...] And this... is NANOG! Needs more ellipses and capitalization...more like This...IS...NANOG!!! building up to a nice crescendo roar as you kick the hapless interviewee backwards down the deep, dark well On a slightly

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
I (sortakinda related to the as-drifted thread) was reminded today of another flag I watched for back in the day by something I saw on Facebook™ today--people using words (especially big words) that do not mean what they think they do.

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-09 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Yardiel D. Fuentes wrote: This discussion is always reminisced of questions such as: Why would I want to learn Algebra or Calculus in college ? or why would I want to go to college at all ? .. the student argues that calculus or college is hardly ever used, if at all, in a

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-09 Thread Alan Buxey
'Don't learn by heart that which you can look up.' apart from enough basics to get you up and connected so that you CAN look things up! ;) There's a whole debate about the education system and learning things by rote that can be looked up. In many sectors you have reference tomes. ..some

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread shawn wilson
On Jun 8, 2015 10:11 PM, Shane Ronan sh...@ronan-online.com wrote: Certs have ruined the industry. Certs have made the industry more interesting. After all, without certs, we'd have less stupid to point at and laugh (or scream). And HR screeners would need to know something about the position

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread Yardiel Fuentes
This discussion is always reminisced of questions such as: Why would I want to learn Algebra or Calculus in college ? or why would I want to go to college at all ? .. the student argues that calculus or college is hardly ever used, if at all, in a job … the most sensible perspective has always

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread ryanL
i don't think certs have ruined the industry. bad interviewing and recruiting, maybe... asking encyclopedia-type gotcha questions are the most inane test of someone's ability to perform well at the job. i promise you - you didn't want to work for this person anyways. got a cert? great. but let's

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Jeroen van Aart wrote: On 06/05/2015 06:38 PM, Mike Hale wrote: We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. Don't learn by heart that which you can look up. In this day and age where knowledge about every subject imaginable is a 5 second (to a

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:10:25 -0700, Jeroen van Aart said: You sort of nailed it though. I think ready knowledge about the internals of utilities such as traceroute or ping is nice to have, however if you don't know Describe the top 3 gotchas of using traceroute to diagnose network problems.

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread Jeroen van Aart
On 06/08/2015 06:22 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:10:25 -0700, Jeroen van Aart said: You sort of nailed it though. I think ready knowledge about the internals of utilities such as traceroute or ping is nice to have, however if you don't know

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread Scott Weeks
--- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:10:25 -0700, Jeroen van Aart said: You sort of nailed it though. I think ready knowledge about the internals of utilities such as traceroute or ping is nice to have, however if you don't know Describe the top 3 gotchas of using

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread Shane Ronan
When I was asked the default BGP timers across three different vendor platforms as measure of my networking ability during an interview, I replied saying I'd look them up if needed them. I was told I didn't understand BGP in enough detail, despite being able to describe all the steps of BGP

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread Jeroen van Aart
On 06/05/2015 06:38 PM, Mike Hale wrote: We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. You sort of nailed it though. I think ready knowledge about the internals of utilities such as traceroute or ping is nice to have, however if you don't know it it is not something

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread David Bass
Yeah, I think that's more about them stroking their own ego than anything to do with you or the job. I've unfortunately seen a few of those types before as well. On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote: On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Jeroen van Aart wrote:

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 06/08/2015 07:34 PM, shawn wilson wrote: On Jun 8, 2015 10:11 PM, Shane Ronan sh...@ronan-online.com wrote: Certs have ruined the industry. Certs have made the industry more interesting. After all, without certs, we'd have less stupid to point at and laugh (or scream). And HR screeners

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-08 Thread Sabri Berisha
Hi, Certs have ruined the industry. Certifications are great keywords for recruiters. If you're a hiring manager, why create a huge list of all routing protocols you'd like the ideal candidate to understand? Saying I need a JNCIE with 5 years experience is a lot easier than the ideal

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Peter Kristolaitis alte...@alter3d.ca wrote: In many ways, certification tracks are something like getting a PhD. Completely useless information (and very few skills) to anything you'll do in the real world, but if it makes your clock tick, go for it. Just

Re: certification (was: eBay is looking for network heavies...)

2015-06-07 Thread Andrew Latham
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: i assume, but have zero actual knowledge/experience, that certification courses/programs actually cover all the corners and minutiae of a subject such as is-is. so you come out knowing all the options and details, 42% of which

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 06/07/2015 01:10 AM, Joshua Riesenweber wrote: Now from what I understand of the CCIE lab exam (which I haven't attempted yet), it is a practical exam and you need to know your stuff to pass. I'm sure people think up ways to cheat and devalue it, that's bound to happen. I've sat on both sides

RE: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread shawn wilson
On Jun 7, 2015 4:12 AM, Joshua Riesenweber joshua.riesenwe...@outlook.com wrote: (In my experience it takes more time to study a certification track than to learn just what you need to get a job done.) Stated different, no job is going to teach you how to pass a cert. And no cert is going to

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Scott Morris
of these certifications. :) Scott -Original Message- From: Stephen Satchell l...@satchell.net Date: Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 8:28 AM To: joshua.riesenwe...@outlook.com, nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... That said, certifications show that the candidate

Re: certification (was: eBay is looking for network heavies...)

2015-06-07 Thread Randy Bush
i assume, but have zero actual knowledge/experience, that certification courses/programs actually cover all the corners and minutiae of a subject such as is-is. so you come out knowing all the options and details, 42% of which you will use; or maybe 24% if you are parsimonious. while i no longer

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
On 6/7/2015 4:10 AM, Joshua Riesenweber wrote: As someone studying their first CCIE (RS), I sometimes find these kind of discussions disheartening. They come up every now and again, and the opinions seem vary anywhere between 'a good interview tool' and 'less than worthless'. A certification

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Joe Hamelin j...@nethead.com Back in 2000 at Amazon, HR somehow decided to have me do the phone interviews for neteng. I'd go through questions on routing and what not, then at the end I would ask questions like, Who was Jon Postel? Who is Larry Wall? Who

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Joe Hamelin
Jay said: Original RFC editor. Invented Perl, among other things. Co-designed DNS (did I get that right?) I personally always label layers 8, 9, and 10 as money, management and inside counsel, but I know views differ. I don't RTFM, I google. It's often faster, so many of TFMs are online now.

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread shawn wilson
On Jun 7, 2015 10:59 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I don't RTFM, I google. It's often faster, so many of TFMs are online now. Until Google supports regex and some of the duckduckgo module features, I'll be faster getting to reference to you will on Google. Notice I said

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: John Fraizer j...@op-sec.us It's been over a decade since I was an active participant on NANOG. I didn't know that the NANOG-JOBS list existed. Sometimes it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission though. I guess it's a good thing Susan H. isn't

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Jay Ashworth
Here's the topper: who was (is) Al Gore, and what part did he play in the birth of the Internet as we know it today? Try not to howl as some of the answers you will get. Advocated for the funding of NREN while in Congress; later misquoted as saying he'd invented the Internet at some length,

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net I find it interesting that I have not note a mention of people like Radia Pearlman and [name advancing years have stolen from me] that wrote a 3 volume set (I think it was) (that I can not find in the

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Stephen Satchell l...@satchell.net wrote: On 06/07/2015 01:10 AM, Joshua Riesenweber wrote: [snip] What the industry could probably use most for entry-level certs is a technical reading comprehension requirement on the certs, or a requirement of GRE scores

RE: certification (was: eBay is looking for network heavies...)

2015-06-07 Thread Tony Hain
Randy Bush wrote: but you can't move packets on pieces of paper. Or can you? RFC's 6214 2549 1149 ;)

Re: certification (was: eBay is looking for network heavies...)

2015-06-07 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Tony Hain alh-i...@tndh.net wrote: Randy Bush wrote: but you can't move packets on pieces of paper. Or can you? RFC's 6214 2549 1149 Sure, but rfc1149 needs some work before it could be a viable way of moving packets. For example: the rfc calls for

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread shawn wilson
On Jun 8, 2015 1:42 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2015 10:59 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I don't RTFM, I google. It's often faster, so many of TFMs are online now. Until Google supports regex and some of the duckduckgo module features, I'll be

RE: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Sun, 7 Jun 2015, Joshua Riesenweber wrote: As someone studying their first CCIE (RS), I sometimes find these kind of discussions disheartening. They come up every now and again, and the opinions seem vary anywhere between 'a good interview tool' and 'less than worthless'. [snip] Does a

Re: certification (was: eBay is looking for network heavies...)

2015-06-07 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Tony Hain alh-i...@tndh.net wrote: Randy Bush wrote: but you can't move packets on pieces of paper. Or can you? RFC's 6214 2549 1149 But how many avian carriers would you need to move the packets current pushed around per second, and how many Mercedes'

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread John Fraizer
...@op-sec.us To: Łukasz Bromirski luk...@bromirski.net Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... Folks, It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their stuff or they don't. Less than 5min

RE: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-07 Thread Joshua Riesenweber
As someone studying their first CCIE (RS), I sometimes find these kind of discussions disheartening. They come up every now and again, and the opinions seem vary anywhere between 'a good interview tool' and 'less than worthless'. It took me a long time to get started in certifications once I

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Joe Hamelin
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Elmar K. Bins e...@4ever.de wrote: eyeronic.des...@gmail.com (Mike Hale) wrote: We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. None of course! No, they read the man page, of course! -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Scott Weeks
--- j...@nethead.com wrote: From: Joe Hamelin j...@nethead.com Back in 2000 at Amazon, HR somehow decided to have me do the phone interviews for neteng. I'd go through questions on routing and what not, then at the end I would ask questions like, Who was Jon Postel? Who is Larry Wall? Who is

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Joe Hamelin
Back in 2000 at Amazon, HR somehow decided to have me do the phone interviews for neteng. I'd go through questions on routing and what not, then at the end I would ask questions like, Who was Jon Postel? Who is Larry Wall? Who is Paul Vixie? What are layers 8 9? Explain the RTFM protocol.

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Elmar K. Bins
eyeronic.des...@gmail.com (Mike Hale) wrote: We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. None of course!

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Dorian Kim
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” -Santayana Quite relevant in our industry that seems be more hell bent on rehashing ideas and plot lines than Hollywood. -dorian On Jun 6, 2015, at

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread shawn wilson
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:57 PM, James Laszko jam...@mythostech.com wrote: I asked one of my guys to tracert in windows for something and he executed pathping. I have never seen that in 25 years Go figure! Yep, I learned something new (though IDK I'll ever use it - I'm guessing it's

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 06/06/2015 03:32 AM, jim deleskie wrote: I remember you asking me who Jon was:) I have since added to my list of interview questions... sad but the number of people with clue is declining not increasing. It's not a question of clue, but of history. How many CS grads are exposed to the

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Brandon Ross
I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders. Long ago when the MCSE was more popular, I actually started putting MCSE need not apply on job postings because everyone I interviewed that had one

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread shawn wilson
My first thought on reading that was who the hell cares if a person knows about internet culture. But than I had to reconsider - it's a very apt way of telling if someone read the right books :) I would also add Ritchie, Thompson, and Diffie to that list (since you ask about Larry, it's only

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread jim deleskie
I remember you asking me who Jon was :) I have since added to my list of interview questions... sad but the number of people with clue is declining not increasing. On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Joe Hamelin j...@nethead.com wrote: Back in 2000 at Amazon, HR somehow decided to have me do the

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread tvest
You are such an optimist ;-) Sometimes those who can remember the past get to repeat it anyway. TV On June 6, 2015 6:53:20 AM EDT, Dorian Kim dor...@blackrose.org wrote: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread shawn wilson
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:33 AM, tvest tv...@eyeconomics.com wrote: You are such an optimist ;-) Sometimes those who can remember the past get to repeat it anyway. I remember seeing a slide deck for devs saying all new web apps are recreating mail, write, wall, and finger (the person posted it

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread shawn wilson
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Brandon Ross br...@pobox.com wrote: I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders. Oh good.

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Dave Taht
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Brandon Ross br...@pobox.com wrote: I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders. Oh good. Maybe my total lack of ever pursuing one of these things is actually a

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Stefan
Sort of back-tracking on the OP JD - is one to derive from the posting and requirements for the job(s) that: 1. the need arises because of the eBay - PayPal split? 2. is PayPal leaving with the openstack [need for] expertise and associated IaaS parts

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Clayton Zekelman
Reminds me of: http://dilbert.com/strip/2000-08-31 At 12:27 PM 06/06/2015, Dave Taht wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Brandon Ross br...@pobox.com wrote: I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread John Fraizer
things-actually-workwhy. - Original Message - From: John Fraizer j...@op-sec.us To: Łukasz Bromirski luk...@bromirski.net Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... Folks, It's just a piece of paper in my opinion

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/5/2015 23:35, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: 'pathping' . learned something new today... Did not know such a command existed in windows.. Been working with computers for over 30 years, while I don't care as to what it says about how much I know, but it sure reminds me that that their is always

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/6/2015 05:43, shawn wilson wrote: My first thought on reading that was who the hell cares if a person knows about internet culture. But than I had to reconsider - it's a very apt way of telling if someone read the right books :) I would also add Ritchie, Thompson, and Diffie to that list

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 06/06/2015 07:17 PM, John Fraizer wrote: And if you've got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says you're an EXPERT. I'm gonna expect you to be one! X -- math quantity denoting the unknown SPURT -- drip of water under pressure X-SPURT -- unknown drip under

RE: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-06 Thread F.L. Whiteley
Secrets books;^) Frank Whiteley -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Larry Sheldon Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 8:25 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... On 6/5/2015 23:35, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: 'pathping

eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread John Fraizer
Hello All, eBay is looking for folks to join our Site Network Engineering team. eBay Site Network Engineering is responsible for the eBay SITE network from ToR to Peering Edge. You won't be bored. You will be challenged. You will have fun! This position is located in San Jose, California @

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer j...@op-sec.us wrote: Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a piece of paper every time! Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is that the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread Łukasz Bromirski
On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer j...@op-sec.us wrote: Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a piece of paper every time! Can you please put these at the back of the line? My

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- j...@op-sec.us wrote: From: John Fraizer j...@op-sec.us Bonus points if you can tell me about IPv8. (The old guard will get that joke.) Long live Jim! U...Never mind... :-) scott

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread ryanL
we're allowed to recruit on nanog?... On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:19 PM John Fraizer j...@op-sec.us wrote: Hello All, eBay is looking for folks to join our Site Network Engineering team. eBay Site Network Engineering is responsible for the eBay SITE network from ToR to Peering Edge. You

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 5 Jun 2015, Scott Weeks wrote: --- j...@op-sec.us wrote: From: John Fraizer j...@op-sec.us Bonus points if you can tell me about IPv8. (The old guard will get that joke.) Long live Jim! U...Never mind... Who? Get off my stargate. :) :0

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread John Fraizer
Folks, It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if they bought their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've spoken to far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Please use below mailing list for job posting http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs Mehmet On Jun 5, 2015, at 19:13, John Fraizer j...@op-sec.us wrote: Hello All, eBay is looking for folks to join our Site Network Engineering team. eBay Site Network Engineering is responsible

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread John Fraizer
It's been over a decade since I was an active participant on NANOG. I didn't know that the NANOG-JOBS list existed. Sometimes it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission though. I guess it's a good thing Susan H. isn't here to throw me in NANOG jail, huh? John Fraizer --Sent from my

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 06/05/2015 06:38 PM, Mike Hale wrote: We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. I didn't google traceroute. Didn't need to. Instead, I drew on the knowledge I gained when Clifford and I wrote _Linux IP Stacks Commentary_. Unfortunately, the Steven's books

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread jim deleskie
Based on the number of certified people I've interviewed over the last 20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100% On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM,

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
: NANOG Operators' Group nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 9:57:38 PM Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... I asked one of my guys to tracert in windows for something and he executed pathping. I have never seen that in 25 years Go figure! James Laszko Mythos

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread nanog
On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer j...@op-sec.us wrote: Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a piece of paper every time! Can you

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread manning
whois traceroute … manning On 5June2015Friday, at 18:38, Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.

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2015-06-05 Thread Scott Weeks
- It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What was boggling was the number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics. One thing I have done in the past is encourage the person to succeed at

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-05 Thread James Laszko
I asked one of my guys to tracert in windows for something and he executed pathping. I have never seen that in 25 years Go figure! James Laszko Mythos Technology Inc jam...@mythostech.com Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 18:40, Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: We