Here in Maine, after seeing no strong proposals were being put forward by
others, we went after American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds to
address a major lack of middle-mile infrastructure in the state.
Verizon had stopped making new investments in Maine for nearly 10 years
before pulling
I have discovered that the Federal School Lunch E-Rate program has built
out an entirely parallel fiber optic infrastructure in the USA, bypassing
telco fiber in many urban areas such as Los Angeles/Southern California.
There are now companies that exist solely to construct E-Rate fiber.
Sunesys
-Original Message-
From: david peahi [mailto:davidpe...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:54 PM
To: Jared Mauch
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)
I have discovered that the Federal School Lunch E-Rate program has built
It varies from state to state ...
In Maine, we've run an E-rate filing consortium for several years that uses
E-rate funds and makes up the difference with a
state telecommunications tax so schools and libraries don't need to pay for
service.
Up until a year or two ago, Verizon was always
- Original Message -
From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
To: Michael Painter tvhaw...@shaka.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)
That's the national definition of broadband that we're stuck
Any details on how much this cost, maybe I just missed it in the article. 40k.
It sounds interesting but in the US this would only make sense in cities and
most people don't live in MDUs. Where I live a lot of peoples driveways are a
mile or two long.
Marcel Plug marcelp...@gmail.com wrote:
Lol too early in the morning, that much for so few, but if you are going to
govt fund copper replacement, it's probably the way to go. Not sure how costly
that would be in the US since even in the cities there are a lot of duplexes.
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For those who didn't Google it.
http://www.ftthcouncil.org/en/knowledge-center/case-studies/amsterdam-city-fiber-project-analysis
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Joseph Snyder joseph.sny...@gmail.com wrote:
Lol too early in the morning, that much for so
We've been funding it for years without getting it because of the stupid way in
which it has been funded.
I suggest you look into USF in more detail.
Owen
On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Joseph Snyder wrote:
Lol too early in the morning, that much for so few, but if you are going to
govt fund
USF is more of a free for all get ISPs to build in 80% of the locations that
nobody would build in their right mind vs a mini monopoly model for l2 that I
equate this with.
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Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
We've been
PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)
snip
I'm trying to do just that right now, actually. 55 s. market to
250 Stockton in San Jose. I dono if it's five thousand feet, but
it's not twice that. The cheapest fiber pair I can rent from
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 02:42:36PM -0500, Frank Bulk wrote:
I've been many times where you were, frustrated that I didn't know the dark
fiber options for a potential opportunity, but you have to remind yourself
don't have a *right* to know where *private* fiber is. It's not just the
physical
Yes, I find it quite amusing that I am paying additional fees on
all of my telecommunications services to subsidize high speed PON
networks in rural bumf*ck while I can't get anything like it in San
Jose, California.
That's OK, you're all in the same boat - the subsidized users can't
Randy Bush wrote:
what a silly question. lining the telcos' pockets. american so called
'broadband' is a joke and a scam.
randy
Really. This is from the Governor's Hawaii Broadband Initiative speedtest
website:
The indication of above average or below average is based on a comparison of
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 02:18:26PM -1000, Michael Painter wrote:
Really. This is from the Governor's Hawaii Broadband Initiative speedtest
website:
The indication of above average or below average is based on a
comparison of the actual test result to the current NTIA definition
of
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:18:26 -1000, Michael Painter said:
The indication of above average or below average is based on a comparison of
the actual test result to the current NTIA
definition of broadband which is 768 kbps download and 200 kbps upload. Any
test result above the NTIA definition
This article from arstechnica is right on topic. Its about how the
city of Amsterdam built an open-access fibre network. It seems to me
this is the right way to do it, or at least very close to the right
way..
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:08:11 -0400, Marcel Plug said:
This article from arstechnica is right on topic. Its about how the
city of Amsterdam built an open-access fibre network. It seems to me
this is the right way to do it, or at least very close to the right
way..
Cue somebody denouncing
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At the end
of the day there needs to be the ability to allow competitors in so of
course they shouldnt be
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At the
end
of the day there
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:12 PM, chris wrote:
Why is it that the big companies are controlling what happens?
They have used the past decades or century to establish these assets.
- Jared
2012/3/22 Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At the
end
of the day there needs to be the ability to allow
2012/3/22 Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:12 PM, chris wrote:
Why is it that the big companies are controlling what happens?
They have used the past decades or century to establish these assets.
What is there that's worth having that isn't controlled by a big
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Keegan Holley wrote:
2012/3/22 Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At the end
This sharing can be done at a layer-3 or as you say at the time slot level or
lambda level. It's no different than what is happening with the copper already.
It's not like they have to give it away for free. They just have to offer it to
other carriers at cost. This will hopefully provide more
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Keegan Holley wrote:
What is there that's worth having that isn't controlled by a big company of
some sort?
This is done in some places. eg: http://www.allband.org/
Some states place barriers to establishing a cooperative. Call your state PUC,
there are good
2012/3/22 Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Keegan Holley wrote:
2012/3/22 Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their
fiber
which I don't see
If it's done on a box owned by the incumbent then sharing has evolved into
giving away free service to competitors. It's different when copper pairs
into a house could be latched onto anyone's switch. Once you start
requiring a carrier to give away capacity in it's network that's
different.
-Original Message-
From: Keegan Holley [mailto:keegan.hol...@sungard.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:41 PM
To: Jared Mauch
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)
2012/3/22 Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
On Mar 22, 2012
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Keegan Holley
keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote:
2012/3/22 Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 01:31:47PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
You agree on a price per distance (e.g.: mile/foot/whatnot).
Lets say the cable costs $25k to install for the distance of 5000 feet.
That cable has 144 strands.
You need access to one strand. If you install it yourself, it
On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:12 AM, chris wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via
On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:12 PM, chris wrote:
Why is it that the big companies are controlling what happens?
They have used the past decades or century to establish these assets.
- Jared
1. Do not mistake a large telco for a
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:40:27 -0700, Owen DeLong said:
Yes, I find it quite amusing that I am paying additional fees on all
of my telecommunications services to subsidize high speed PON networks
in rural bumf*ck while I can't get anything like it in San Jose, California.
That's OK, you're all
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:11 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:40:27 -0700, Owen DeLong said:
Yes, I find it quite amusing that I am paying additional fees on all
of my telecommunications services to subsidize high speed PON networks
in rural bumf*ck while I can't get
2012/3/22 William Herrin b...@herrin.us
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Keegan Holley
keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote:
2012/3/22 Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their
fiber
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Keegan Holley
keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote:
2012/3/22 William Herrin b...@herrin.us
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Keegan Holley
keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but how exactly does one share fiber?
Isn't
it usually a
Yes, I find it quite amusing that I am paying additional fees on
all of my telecommunications services to subsidize high speed PON
networks in rural bumf*ck while I can't get anything like it in San
Jose, California.
That's OK, you're all in the same boat - the subsidized users can't
get it
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