The hotel IT department is the guy who runs the as400 that gets
reservations from corprate, and runs the POS terminals.
the room-net is by-in-large run by a third party such as lodgenet.
here at the lovely and reasonably priced loews, the dhcp disaster in the
rooms killed the front desk
On 10/10/11 3:41 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:
Holding the last 10% of the meeting room payment seems like a good start for
any venue.
It's worthless. It's like being single-homed on a line with an SLA that
refunds some small percent of your service provider fee for extended
outages - fat lot of good
On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:32 PM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 10/10/11 07:00 , Owen DeLong wrote:
It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically
discuss these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead
of time so that they have some remote chance of being
On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:32 PM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 10/10/11 07:00 , Owen DeLong wrote:
It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically
discuss these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead
of time so that
On 11/10/2011 14:12, John Curran wrote:
is far better today then in the past, as there have been many conferences
over the years where step 1 was pulling the coax or fiber through the
hotel to establish their first-ever network infrastructure... :-)
There is nothing more dispiriting than
Maybe instead of upgrading the network of cities, we could convince Google
to practice by upgrading the networks of a variety of hotels
in locations that NANOG might find appealing :)
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:
On 11/10/2011 14:12, John Curran wrote:
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:48, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:
On 11/10/2011 14:12, John Curran wrote:
is far better today then in the past, as there have been many conferences
over the years where step 1 was pulling the coax or fiber through the
hotel to establish
.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: JC Dill [mailto:jcdill.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:26 AM
To: NANOG list
Subject: Re: meeting network
On 10/10/11 3:41 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:
Holding the last 10% of the meeting room payment seems like a good start
for
any venue.
It's
Once upon a time, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org said:
There is nothing more dispiriting than yeah sure, you can pull in that
fibre cable, but only on condition that you remove it immediately after the
[conference|meeting|whatever] is over. We already have the Internet.
I would say the
.
But as others have indicated, the market may be too small for free-market
principles to be fully effective.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: JC Dill [mailto:jcdill.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:36 PM
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: meeting
The hotel will never refund at that level.
ietf maastricht gave 100% refunds
never say never
perhaps as an educational exercise in network troubleshooting whoever is
operating the meeting network could explain what the frack is wrong with
the meeting network, how it is being debugged, and what they have
learned about the cause of the suckage.
randy
On 10/10/2011 13:28, Randy Bush wrote:
perhaps as an educational exercise in network troubleshooting whoever is
operating the meeting network could explain what the frack is wrong with
the meeting network, how it is being debugged, and what they have
learned about the cause of the suckage
On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
if it's wifi that's causing the trouble, the usual causes are:
Don't forget RFI and various forms of spoofing used for MITM.
;
---
Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net //
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote:
On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
if it's wifi that's causing the trouble, the usual causes are:
is the complaint the hotel ROOM wireless? or the meeting-room? I
noticed the nanog-a-secure bounce me 2x,
if it's wifi that's causing the trouble, the usual causes are:
is the complaint the hotel ROOM wireless? or the meeting-room?
meeting net, a-secure and a. really bad during the night, but still
bouncing up until 08:30 when i turned laptop off to participate in
breakfast.
and conjecturbation
:
On 10/10/2011 13:28, Randy Bush wrote:
perhaps as an educational exercise in network troubleshooting whoever is
operating the meeting network could explain what the frack is wrong with
the meeting network, how it is being debugged, and what they have
learned about the cause of the suckage
On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
On 10/10/2011 13:28, Randy Bush wrote:
perhaps as an educational exercise in network troubleshooting whoever is
operating the meeting network could explain what the frack is wrong with
the meeting network, how it is being debugged, and what
On 10/10/2011 14:50, Christopher Morrow wrote:
hotel registration machines were all broken :( The hotel's network
people (in NYC) are supposedly 'on a fix', who knows... (is expanding
the nat subnet THAT hard?)
Sigh, if only there were people somewhere near the hotel who knew how to
configure
On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote:
On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
if it's wifi that's causing the trouble, the usual causes are:
is the complaint the hotel ROOM wireless? or
On the hotel network, I have also seen some issues beyond getting an address. I
can usually trace just fine, but applications, specifically web is extremely
slow, or non responsive. The hotel appears to be shoving all traffic through a
squid proxy, which does not appear to be big enough to
, ... have
seen this time and time again
o the hotel does not manage the network, so you have two comms hops
to anyone who can do anything. and anyway, they are not going to
provision more bandwidth
but the problems of which i spoke were the meeting network. which we
do supposedly
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011, Randy Bush wrote:
if it's wifi that's causing the trouble, the usual causes are:
is the complaint the hotel ROOM wireless? or the meeting-room?
meeting net, a-secure and a. really bad during the night, but still
bouncing up until 08:30 when i turned laptop off to
Conjecturbation: They're using an old proteon router and someone is
exhausting its arp and ndp caches.
i wanna picture!
VPN traffic was also slow / bursty. So I guess there's some capacity issues
as well as layer 7 cruft.
On Oct 10, 2011 10:20 AM, Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net wrote:
On the hotel network, I have also seen some issues beyond getting an
address. I can usually trace just fine, but
o no hotel believe that we'll actually be significantly high use.
they simply can not conceive of it. ietf, apricot, ... have
seen this time and time again
WEG] this is a problem that is quite solvable via the careful application of
real data from past events
I assume most of these
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:44:12 EDT, Randy Bush said:
o no hotel believe that we'll actually be significantly high use.
they simply can not conceive of it. ietf, apricot, ... have
seen this time and time again
To be fair, that's not a hotel-only problem. We've seen that problem
On 10/10/11 10:20 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote:
I would think that the contract with the hotel for the conference would include
the specific requirements for the network. Is that not the case?
My experiences planning and operating ARIN meeting networks taught me
that it is difficult if not
Subject: Re: meeting network
I would think that the contract with the hotel for the conference
would include the specific requirements for the network. Is that not
the case?
underlying problems
o no hotel believe that we'll actually be significantly high use.
they simply can
if not met.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:44 AM
To: Randy Carpenter
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: meeting network
I would think that the contract with the hotel for the conference
would
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:44 AM
To: Randy Carpenter
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: meeting network
I would think that the contract with the hotel for the conference
would include
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net wrote:
I have been at other conference that have triple or more participants, and it
has never been anything close to the issues we are having at this hotel.
Slightly slower performance is expected. Completely not working
SLAs
that result in a smaller bill if not met.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:44 AM
To: Randy Carpenter
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: meeting network
I would think that the contract
On 10/10/11 7:00 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically discuss
these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead of time so that
they have some remote chance of being prepared.
I tried this approach many years ago, for a
, October 10, 2011 11:36 AM
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: meeting network
On 10/10/11 7:00 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically discuss
these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead of time so
, October 10, 2011 1:36 PM
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: meeting network
On 10/10/11 7:00 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically
discuss these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead of time
so that they have
Years ago, on my own, when I used to attend, I used to call the venue about a
month in advance and explain to them what was about to happen. Sort of a
warning, per say. I explained, in detail, who NANOG was comprised of (I often
would use the term operators of the internet). I explained even if
- Original Message -
From: Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com
As to the hotel room wifi... apparently when you have 490 rooms in the
hotel (full) and only provision your internal NAT space as a /23 ...
things work 'fine' most days. When a networking conference comes to
visit
- Original Message -
From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com
It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically
discuss these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead
of time so that they have some remote chance of being prepared.
It is nearly never the
American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: meeting network
On 10/10/11 7:00 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically
discuss these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead of time
so that they have some remote chance of being
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
I don't think it is. I think that you can negotiate and I will point out that
the hotel
here has wanted our business enough that they have now scrambled to make
life significantly better. You can also bet I'll be demanding
On 10/10/11 21:25 , Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
I don't think it is. I think that you can negotiate and I will point out
that the hotel
here has wanted our business enough that they have now scrambled to make
life
On 10/10/11 07:00 , Owen DeLong wrote:
It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically
discuss these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead
of time so that they have some remote chance of being prepared.
The hotel IT department is the guy who runs the
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