RE: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread michael.dillon
> Given that observation, creating a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for > the discussion of "e-mail operations" as a bounded experiment > seems like a reasonable thing to do. I agree, however I think that we need to first get some things sorted out. 1. write a list charter/aup specifically for this lis

Re: Fwd: [nanog-admin] Vote on AUP submission to SC

2007-10-30 Thread Martin Hannigan
> > > i find "prohibited" to be unnecessarily strong. > > > looks pretty much as expected from meeting and discussion between sc and > mlc. What do you see that's different from what the MLC initial vote approved, what the community approved, and what you got?

Re: Fwd: [nanog-admin] Vote on AUP submission to SC

2007-10-30 Thread Randy Bush
> From: Alex Pilosov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Oct 30, 2007 2:33 PM > Subject: [nanog-admin] Vote on AUP submission to SC > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sorry for the delay, I was catching up with RL things after nanog. > > I'd like to call for a vote on modified AUP to be submitted to SC. We'v

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Randy Bush
> The NANOG mailing list has never been in good order. > > The NANOG meetings have always had complaints. > > The NANOG community is composed of disparate parties with disparate > interests, each convinced that their interests are the only ones of > operation relevance. it would all be so much s

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Randy Bush
> Mail seems to be one of those topics which is of interest to many nanog > subscribers, but simultaneously annoying to many (presumably different) > nanog subscribers. what large subject does not fall in this category? this is just life when you have a large community. randy

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 01:57:08PM -0400, Martin Hannigan wrote: > I don't agree that operational issues related to the Internet needs to > be segregated from the main list, just the politics and kookery. I'm > not in favor of mailops@ since opening up such a topic as a free for > all is a recipe f

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2007-10-30 Thread Alex Pilosov
On 10/30/07, Martin Hannigan wrote: > We've already talked about this. It was left at "possible". > > I don't agree that operational issues related to the Internet needs to > be segregated from the main list, just the politics and kookery. I'm > not in favor of mailops@ since opening up such a top

Fwd: [nanog-admin] Vote on AUP submission to SC

2007-10-30 Thread Martin Hannigan
Folks, FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Alex Pilosov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Oct 30, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: [nanog-admin] Vote on AUP submission to SC To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry for the delay, I was catching up with RL things after nanog. I'd like to call for a vote on mod

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Sean Figgins
Martin Hannigan wrote: What would work is for people to post on topic so that the list is interesting and relevant. Since what people want to talk about is mostly off-topic for the nanog@ list, does this mean that NANOG itself is no longer interested in being the venue for network operators

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Martin Hannigan
On 10/30/07, William B. Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/30/07, Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/30/07, Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On 30-Oct-2007, at 12:55, Andy Davidson wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to understand your point here - you believe that

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread William B. Norton
On 10/30/07, Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/30/07, Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 30-Oct-2007, at 12:55, Andy Davidson wrote: > > > > > I would support the creation of a mail-operators list (& agenda time > > > for a mailops bof, since a lot of networks are smal

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Martin Hannigan
On 10/30/07, Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 30-Oct-2007, at 12:55, Andy Davidson wrote: > > > I would support the creation of a mail-operators list (& agenda time > > for a mailops bof, since a lot of networks are small enough to mean > > that netops and sysops are often the same guys)

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Daniel Senie
At 12:55 PM 10/30/2007, Andy Davidson wrote: On 30 Oct 2007, at 16:21, Daniel Senie wrote: At 12:07 PM 10/30/2007, Al Iverson wrote: On 10/30/07, chuck goolsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a more relevant and operational sort of note, it sure would be > nice if there were a NAMOG (North

RE: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-nanog- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Popovitch > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:27 AM > To: nanog-futures > Subject: Re: mail operators list > > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:09 -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 30-Oct-2007,

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:09 -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > On 30-Oct-2007, at 12:55, Andy Davidson wrote: > > > I would support the creation of a mail-operators list (& agenda time > > for a mailops bof, since a lot of networks are small enough to mean > > that netops and sysops are often the same

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Joe Abley
On 30-Oct-2007, at 12:55, Andy Davidson wrote: I would support the creation of a mail-operators list (& agenda time for a mailops bof, since a lot of networks are small enough to mean that netops and sysops are often the same guys) if it's deemed to be offtopic on nanog-l. Mail seems to

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Andy Davidson
On 30 Oct 2007, at 16:21, Daniel Senie wrote: At 12:07 PM 10/30/2007, Al Iverson wrote: On 10/30/07, chuck goolsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a more relevant and operational sort of note, it sure would be > nice if there were a NAMOG (North American Mail Operators Group) or > the like to