Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread J. Oquendo
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: I find it hard to imagine that you, Randy, of all people would take issue with a situation where people were perceived to be being difficult just because they enjoyed it. Alright, let me clarify a lot of things here in regards to my posting and I

[Nanog-futures] blacklists getting out of hand?

2007-11-28 Thread Lynda
I'm hoping that this just gets through. For two or three years, I've been relaying all deaddrop.org email through pair.com, which has apparently made it onto mail-abuse's blacklists. Unfortunately, it joins gmail, which is my usual backup. I'm afraid to even try my old rocketmail account.

Re: [Nanog-futures] [admin] RE: Creating a crystal clear and pureInternet

2007-11-28 Thread Alex Pilosov
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should politics/culture/society be on-topic? Or should we maintain this list as *internet operations* list. What is *internet operations*? In the telco companies that operate most of the Internet, operations does not include network design,

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Nov 28, 2007 8:20 AM, J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: [ clip ] Alright, let me clarify a lot of things here in regards to my posting and I hope you'll take the time to read it in order to get a glimpse of me and my posting(s).

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Randy Bush
Should we remove this person or not? why? just because he calls you on your bs? pfui! pick on someone your own size. randy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Randy Bush
It seems to be a cut and dried case of mail bouncing. If mail bounces, the address is not good and should be removed. as mail from the nanog list exploder is not being bounced, but rather marty's personal email is being bounced, i guess you mean that marty should stop sending it. i suspect

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Randy Bush
To clarify this discussion, I'd like to point out that the bounce in quesiton was from a private email from Marty to J.Oquendo. In response to a post from the list. Same exact thing we have setup with this autoresponder policy. his system bounced a private email from you. he did not send a

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Alex Pilosov
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Martin Hannigan wrote: To clarify this discussion, I'd like to point out that the bounce in quesiton was from a private email from Marty to J.Oquendo. In response to a post from the list. Same exact thing we have setup with this autoresponder policy. Please don't

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Gregory Hicks
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:11:14 -0800 From: Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Hannigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nanog-futures@nanog.org Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage Should we remove this person or not? why? just because he calls you on your bs? pfui! pick on someone

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Todd Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does anyone else (aside from marty) actually think that AUP applies to mail between list members? this just seems silly. the poster may violate the AUP for some other reason, but having an account that bounces email from marty's choice of smtp

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
-Original Message- From: Martin Hannigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:51 AM To: Alex Pilosov Cc: nanog-futures@nanog.org Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage On Nov 28, 2007 1:33 PM, Alex Pilosov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Nov 28, 2007 1:33 PM, Alex Pilosov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Martin Hannigan wrote: To clarify this discussion, I'd like to point out that the bounce in quesiton was from a private email from Marty to J.Oquendo. In response to a post from the list. Same exact

Re: [Nanog-futures] Program: proposed late start for NANOG SJC

2007-11-28 Thread Alex Pilosov
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Todd Underwood wrote: the rationale for the switch is that the earlier meeting time does not allow for people to have substantial morning meetings prior to the conference and may cut into some evening meeting/business/socializing activities as well. several program

Re: [Nanog-futures] blacklists getting out of hand?

2007-11-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Nov 28, 2007 12:30 PM, Lynda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could I just send the email from a local server? Sure, but the ability to filter spam for this particular domain is high on my list, and I use pair's servers to do so, before I ever see anything. It isn't an easy question, and I know it

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 13:56 -0600, J Bacher wrote: Absent an inability to have a private conversation as an admin, what do you (all) suggest? An admin email to the list directed to that individual? Do nothing, apply the three strikes you're out when applicable without any notification?

Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread J Bacher
Joe Provo wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 01:56:39PM -0600, J Bacher wrote: [snip] Absent an inability to have a private conversation as an admin, what do you (all) suggest? Gosh, I had no idea all admins were using gmail. Or that the situation was so urgent that it couldn't have been

Re: [Nanog-futures] Program: proposed late start for NANOG SJC

2007-11-28 Thread David Barak
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Re: [Nanog-futures] Cisco outage

2007-11-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Martin Hannigan wrote: Not for the content. Randy is a little excitable since he and the SC have been marginalized for the most part. AUP Item #8 seems to apply. I'm asking if it's what people really want. I'm prepared to pull the cord on the suicde belt in hopes that I can take the current