Re: [Nanog-futures] NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread Martin Hannigan
[ snip ] > The honorable thing for [snarf] to do would be to admit a mistake and > donate the cost of membership to Merit > [ clip ] If someone entered the meeting space without paying, I agree. If all of this transpired in the hallways, I suggest that this topic is neither appropriate for this

Re: [Nanog-futures] NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
William Norton writes: > This overreaction seems strikingly similar to the Avi NANOG issue of > a few years back - one of the things that led up to the NANOG > revolution in the first place. Avi was chewed out by the Merit NANOG > Chair for sitting in the NANOG hotel public area and chatting wit

Re: [Nanog-futures] FW: NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread Dave Temkin
William Norton wrote: > With respect - We may have to disagree on the facts as usual - my cell phone > log shows he called me from the hotel lobby at 12:05 - right around noon. > You were no doubt busy and perhaps mis-remembered the time. > Perfectly happy to agree (to disagree). If you'd l

Re: [Nanog-futures] FW: NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread Paul WALL
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:00 PM, William Norton wrote: > As my original post indicated, I would like to talk about the futures of > NANOG. So to steer things back on-topic and set the record straight, will you or MediaMelon be compensating Merit and/or NewNog for Kumar's attendance, by submittin

Re: [Nanog-futures] FW: NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread William Norton
On Jun 30, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Dave Temkin wrote: > Bill, > > In the interest of "clarifying a simple misunderstanding", there was no > lunch involved. Kumar came to me at 3:00PM outside the plenary (inside > the meeting space), pointed at you and said that you told him to come > talk to me.

Re: [Nanog-futures] NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread Paul WALL
Bill, That's precisely the problem, that (per your own admission) you invited a salesman to NANOG, and suggested that he approach some of the Netflix folks with an unsolicited sales pitch, all without paying a dime. As a seasoned attendee, you should realize that the standard practice here is to

Re: [Nanog-futures] FW: NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread Dave Temkin
Bill, In the interest of "clarifying a simple misunderstanding", there was no lunch involved. Kumar came to me at 3:00PM outside the plenary (inside the meeting space), pointed at you and said that you told him to come talk to me. I've kept silent on the public lists about this, and would app

Re: [Nanog-futures] NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread William Norton
On Jun 30, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Paul WALL wrote: > Bill, > > This is all very interesting, inasmuch as you invited salespeople to > crash NANOG49 (unpaid) for the purposes of pitching the sponsor. Wow - the story gets propagated and more exaggerated by the minute. Thank you Mr. Temkin, (Marketing,

Re: [Nanog-futures] NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
> In any case, instead, both sides have left the community with a > transition where > > 1) the broader community was not brought along for the ride with > identified problems and proposed solutions, it was a 'done deal' > (this would have taken time) > > 2) the plan for this new NA

Re: [Nanog-futures] NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 6/29/10 8:45 AM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: > I am not sure I understand why a comprehensive "why we got here" > statement is necessary beyond what the Steering Committee laid out in > the community meeting. If change is good then what would be gained from > dissecting the reasoning behi

Re: [Nanog-futures] NANOG Transition - How we got here

2010-06-30 Thread Paul WALL
Bill, This is all very interesting, inasmuch as you invited salespeople to crash NANOG49 (unpaid) for the purposes of pitching the sponsor. While I think you owe us all an explanation on how you allowed that to happen, the past doesn't matter, so would you be able to comment on what you're doing