Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-10-09 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:00:35AM -0700, Steve Gibbard wrote: [snip] > Here's my problem with this line of reasoning: > > We've got a serious volunteer shortage. > > In our upcoming board election, we have four candidates for four > open seats. As one of those candidates, I'd like to think that

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-30 Thread Dave Temkin
On 9/30/11 10:28 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Wessels, Duane mailto:dwess...@verisign.com>> wrote: On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Dave Temkin wrote: > Steve, > > Can you ensure that you have that budget available before the meeting, hopefully at

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-30 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Wessels, Duane wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > > [ snip ] > > Can you clarify, would you like to see a balance sheet, say, every meeting, > every quarter, or once per year? > > Meetings. Best, -M< __

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-30 Thread Wessels, Duane
On Sep 30, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > Nice transparency. Thanks. > > Would it be possible to see a balance sheet as a standard going forward? This > is good. I'm more interested in a dashboard like report such as a balance > sheet than this board minutia. Not a complaint, su

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-30 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Wessels, Duane wrote: > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Dave Temkin wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > Can you ensure that you have that budget available before the meeting, > hopefully at least a week before? > > > > Also, can we have the numbers from NANOG 52 ASAP? > > >

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 11:08 , Lynda wrote: > On 9/30/2011 11:00 AM, Steve Gibbard wrote: > >> In our upcoming board election, we have four candidates for four open >> seats. As one of those candidates, I'd like to think that this is >> because everybody really wants to vote for us, but the most I can >> rea

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-30 Thread Steve Feldman
On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Lynda wrote: > On 9/30/2011 11:00 AM, Steve Gibbard wrote: > >> In our upcoming board election, we have four candidates for four open >> seats. As one of those candidates, I'd like to think that this is >> because everybody really wants to vote for us, but the most

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-30 Thread Lynda
On 9/30/2011 11:00 AM, Steve Gibbard wrote: In our upcoming board election, we have four candidates for four open seats. As one of those candidates, I'd like to think that this is because everybody really wants to vote for us, but the most I can really hope for is that being on the board sounds

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-30 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Joel jaeggli wrote: > On 9/1/11 15:12 , David Temkin wrote: >> Randy, >> >> How is that "getting paid"? Receiving services in kind? >> >> Don't know if you've ever done Habitat for Humanity, but you get a free >> lunch, paid for by those who have given cash to sup

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-28 Thread Joel jaeggli
sorry it's been a long time since this thread started, I'm circling back to it. On 9/1/11 15:12 , David Temkin wrote: > Randy, > > How is that "getting paid"? Receiving services in kind? > > Don't know if you've ever done Habitat for Humanity, but you get a free > lunch, paid for by those who h

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-20 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Steven Feldman wrote: > [Apologies for cross-posting; it turns out many members are not on the > nanog-futures list.] > > In our board meeting this week, we decided not to place this on this year's > ballot. We feel that as with other decisions regarding conferen

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-16 Thread Dave Temkin
Steve, Can you ensure that you have that budget available before the meeting, hopefully at least a week before? Also, can we have the numbers from NANOG 52 ASAP? Thanks! -Dave On 9/15/11 7:28 PM, Steven Feldman wrote: [Apologies for cross-posting; it turns out many members are not on the na

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-15 Thread Steven Feldman
[Apologies for cross-posting; it turns out many members are not on the nanog-futures list.] In our board meeting this week, we decided not to place this on this year's ballot. We feel that as with other decisions regarding conference fees and discounts, this is best left as an operational policy

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-12 Thread Dave Temkin
I'm perfectly OK with not necessarily codifying this in the bylaws; you're right in that the bylaws doesn't spell out admission specifically today. I guess a meta question is - should it? And if it shouldn't, is this just a topic to bring up at the community meeting and then ask the board to m

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread Steve Gibbard
Speaking only for myself, and not in any official capacity... I think Dave's idea has merit. There is precedent for it -- we give free conference admission to speakers -- so to me the question here is not whether any contribution should merit free admission, but where the line should be dr

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-02 Thread David Temkin
On Sep 1, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Daniel Golding wrote: > > Rather, the loss of revenue to the organization and the > potential drama around the arrangements are pretty significant. > > - Daniel Golding Possible, and I would expect the board to do their own financial analysis of the impact of this

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Pete Templin
On 8/31/11 10:30 AM, David Temkin wrote: The various committees put in many tireless hours of effort to bring a content rich, well attended, well sponsored meeting to our attendees. In return they generally get a free lunch and a brief thank you. I propose that any committee member who attends

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 07:56:20PM -0400, Dorian Kim wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:30:49AM -0400, David Temkin wrote: > > All, > > > > I would like to propose an amendment to the bylaws for the coming election > > cycle. > > > > The various committees put in many tireless hours of effort

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Daniel Golding
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:49 PM, John Springer wrote: > Hi David, > > I have a memory, from the community meetings where the early NEWNOG finances > were being discussed, that it was _ABSOLUTELY_CRITICAL_ that $100/per member > fees be implemented. If we didn't, $reallybadthings were completely cer

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread David Temkin
Thanks John, very constructive input. I advise you to review the latest numbers instead of going off of a projection done well over a year ago as part of an outdated proposal. As you know, I am merely suggesting this get put out to vote. My vote counts for no more than yours does, like any good

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Dorian Kim
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:30:49AM -0400, David Temkin wrote: > All, > > I would like to propose an amendment to the bylaws for the coming election > cycle. > > The various committees put in many tireless hours of effort to bring a > content rich, well attended, well sponsored meeting to our

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread John Springer
Hi David, I accidently the whole idea that these folks need to be incented. Am I doing it wrong? I have a memory, from the community meetings where the early NEWNOG finances were being discussed, that it was _ABSOLUTELY_CRITICAL_ that $100/per member fees be implemented. If we didn't, $reall

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Rose Klimovich wrote: > Dave, I like this idea. It will incent people to come to committee meetings. > This will make the Nanog meetings we all attend better and more productive. > > Rose Klimovich +1 > On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:30 AM, David Temkin wrote: > >> All,

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Rose Klimovich
Dave, I like this idea. It will incent people to come to committee meetings. This will make the Nanog meetings we all attend better and more productive. Rose Klimovich On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:30 AM, David Temkin wrote: > All, > > I would like to propose an amendment to the bylaws for the comi

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread David Temkin
I know, but my intention is to not make people ask for it. If you're a committee member, and you've attended X number of meetings, you get it, period. There'll be a tickbox during registration that says "Committee Member", etc. You shouldn't feel like you're taking food out of other peoples'

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Jared Mauch
I gave discretion to two people in the below wording: the committee chair and the board. My example was hardship but certainly not limited there. The wording is vague on purpose :-) it allows for discretion. Jared Mauch On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:32 AM, David Temkin wrote: > I'm not a big fan of t

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread David Temkin
I'm not a big fan of this because I don't feel that it should only be waived in the context of a hardship. I get that that's not what you're saying, but I'd rather keep the logic of the two separate - make the Committee-based attendance merit based (no pun intended) and give the Board latitude

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread Jared Mauch
On Sep 1, 2011, at 7:08 AM, David Temkin wrote: > For some reason I thought it was 8. My intention was slightly less than the > total, so perhaps 4 or 5 and to not specify a specific amount of time, given > that some committees might meet for fewer hours than others and I wanted to > make sur

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-01 Thread David Temkin
For some reason I thought it was 8. My intention was slightly less than the total, so perhaps 4 or 5 and to not specify a specific amount of time, given that some committees might meet for fewer hours than others and I wanted to make sure that everyone was invented to participate, not just the

Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-08-31 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:30 AM, David Temkin wrote: > All, > > I would like to propose an amendment to the bylaws for the coming election > cycle. > > The various committees put in many tireless hours of effort to bring a > content rich, well attended, well sponsored meeting to our attendees.  

[Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-08-31 Thread David Temkin
All, I would like to propose an amendment to the bylaws for the coming election cycle. The various committees put in many tireless hours of effort to bring a content rich, well attended, well sponsored meeting to our attendees. In return they generally get a free lunch and a brief thank you