buffer or the file runs
out, and then the kernel will spend the 5 minutes transfering it to the
dialup user. Have that happen a few times, and you get an instant mbuf
exaustion (or whatever internal mechanism your OS of choice uses) and
kernel panic...
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and beliefs
about LAN vs WAN technology and all that nonsense... Short of that,
Cogent offers a layer 3 transport service with gige on both ends as an
option... :)
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a couple time there...
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the
people were when they laid your fiber.
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this
problem (Vendor F comes to mind, but their SSH implementation also doesn't
work with OpenSSH w/freebsd localisations, so something else is afoot
there as well).
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. The pace has since slowed down a bit, but appears to be holding
steady at doubling every 18 months (1995-present).
Not to be too picky, but how is going from doubling every 2 years to
doubling every 18 months slowing down? :)
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of course.
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.
The MAE in Phoenix was originally constructed by Dave Siegel
and it ran from 1996 through 1998/9.
Or companies like http://www.maedulles.net/ who aren't exchange points at
all.
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greatly when they no longer need a Patricia tree.
To quote Avi Freedman, Customer Enragement Feature.
To quote Majdi Abbas, John Chambers owes me a pony.
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said in #nanog I have over 50
cases of showing pornography to a minor..
'nuf said...
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distribution; it uses hashes. Sure, hashed distribution
isn't perfect. But it's better than perfect distribution with
added latency and/or retransmits out the wazoo.
You don't even need varying paths to create a desynch, all you need is
varying size packets.
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?
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lack of things for end users to do with that much
bandwidth even if they got it.
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particular flow,
since you've eliminated the concept of one flow hogging the socket
buffer and leave it to TCP to work out the sharing of the link. Second
opinions?
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of their networks.
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and simplistic paging. But I think that's plausible.)
You're missing the point, you don't allocate ANYTHING until you have a
packet to fill that buffer, and then when you're done buffering it, it is
free'd. The limits are just there to prevent you from running away with a
socket buffer.
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data.
Once a socket proves its intentions (and periodically after
that), it gets to use a BIG buffer, so we find out just how fast
the connection can go.
That doesn't prevent an intentional local DoS though.
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of your
network.
/rant
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somewhere. It's just not an easily scalable solution.
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see it.
If you have a network, you can just use the same IP for your dns
servers in multiple locations, and let your IGP route it to the closest
one.
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a no export community with ones
peers (being non transitive, it would still distribute the force of the
attack).
Many people do this already. If you're looking to purchase transit and you
think this is something you'll care about, ask for it or vote with your
wallet.
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can get anything from this is when you admit defeat on
keeping your services responding to new connection but want to keep
existing connections and/or the end servers from failing completely.
Depending on the service in question this may or may not be a good goal.
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On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 11:56:07PM -0600, Pete Kruckenberg wrote:
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
You have an interesting situation. I think rate limiting
outbound RSTs would be the least offensive thing you
could do, off the top of my head.
What about just
complaint about
1.2.3.182, the campus computer nerd looks it up, and goes to knock on that
persons door. Little do they know that the actual compromised machine is
1.2.3.97 spoofing it. You ever tried explaining this to the campus nerd?
Not pretty!
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wildly
into the internet. The latter is usually used as a stopgap measure to
limit the number of spoofed packets coming into your network via transits.
The number you'd expect to filter is 50%, assuming the attacker in
question is using an evenly distributing random() function.
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. :)
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forth and be filterful. :)
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effective.
That said, I'm pretty sure this thread has now excercised my D key more
then a month's supply of spam. Isn't it about time we called it a day, or
perhaps moved this to a list more appropriate for complaining and sending
email about people sending email. :)
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a Filtering Information Base
mtrie for source address rules. This is the entire point of standard
access-lists, and more recently compiled access-lists.
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For price, quality, and if your goal is primarily to purchase transit, I
would recommend Equinix, located in Ashburn VA.
That said, this isn't the appropriate list for that kind of question.
ISP-Bandwidth or ISP-Colo might be more appropriate.
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defenses.
Don't confuse the rantings of a nutcase and his T1 with useful information
about DoS. I have to admit I like the direction the made up acronyms are
going though, can we have MS-DOS next? :)
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. Multiply that by the number of people they
do peer with, and it adds up to a lot.
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a few people do (though I personally would not buy
from them).
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for getting around MTUs you can't increase. Unfortunately, I do not
believe Juniper has any such functionality (even when gre is done by the
RE).
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existing functionality work correctly and
behave in a sensible fashion. Nothing personal against Foundry, but the
people in charge couldn't possibly not get it any more than they do now.
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TAC after hours, all you'll get is someone's house
with their screaming kids in the background.
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a telephone, thanks. :)
And it's nothing personal, I have actually been one of Foundry's biggest
supporters compared to almost every other engineer I know. Everyone else
gave up using them in layer 3 a long time ago.
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. :)
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is actually hiring people to censor NANOG 24/7 someone needs to
reevaluate their funding), but I have seen censoring in the past which is
almost comical in nature, for example the Sexual Harassment filter.
Best be careful, the PC police are coming for you.
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, the other I fired after 3.
Sir, I think you have me confused with someone who cares.
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, and CSCO.
http://www.bblabs.com/highspeed.htm
http://www.bblabs.com/data_center_picture.html
http://www.bblabs.com/dedicated_server.htm
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style works best
upon others is neither smart nor productive. Can we all just leave it at
that, and try to get back to something operational?
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them).
* Have an opt out option for networks who REALLY don't like probes.
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2GHz box for computationally intensive tasks (like a route
reflector).
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passively. :)
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?
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it. If we could
seperate the people with legitimate needs from the net polluters, we could
then proceed to filter with a vengence. 5000 for 62000 sounds like a good
tradeoff to me. :)
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.
That said, this has very little place on NANOG.
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On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 06:42:58PM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
I've noticed a large chunk of my customer traffic coming from
Microsoft. Anyone know if they peer anywhere on the East coast?
I think you have [EMAIL PROTECTED] confused with [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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rather have routes converge 30% faster than protect against an attack
noone has ever done.
That and its just one more thing to negotiate with the other side. :)
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(at least not on the border device
connecting to it :P) from source addresses.
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, therefore you
should not hear them from your peers.
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On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 01:07:21AM -0500, John Palmer wrote:
Is there some sort of a router meltdown somewhere this evening? I cant
get through to most destinations, either with TELNET, http, ftp, DNS -
nothing.
And yet, unfortunately for us all, your mail continues to work.
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would want to make traceroutes lose all
information about the circuits you're traveling through. It would make
diagnostics an everloving nightmare, IMHO.
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it
* Not posting in HTML
* Not posting where can I get a T1 in BF Egypt
* Not posting everyone on the internet is down but me!
etc.
Not to be mean to anyone, but if you're expecting something else, you
should probably look at one of the isp-* lists.
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On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:33:09AM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
Is there a standard list of protocols that all carriers support?
IP. :)
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for 802.11a I believe they're doing better.
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things get extreme, but it would be nice to see
nationals peer in the south as well. If one has peering
requirements, at least set them to reach a positive goal...
BGP twiddling cannot fix a broke-ass network design.
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weight to kill an email, and osirusoft uses SPEWS. I don't
like spam any more then anyone else, but this situation is damn near
pathetic.
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Note the date, February 8, 2000. Over 2 years later is an eternity in
peering requirement land.
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and
cashflow.
What about the other way around, eyeball providers who depeer content
providers so they can try to sell content hosting. I think this is
something Vijay may be more familiar with. :)
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routing crowd to try and take advantage of all the richness
of paths out there which aren't being used efficiently, break BGP very
very quickly (in my experience at any rate).
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to potentially use it completely or near completely).
Just because you aren't paying for the bandwidth doesn't mean you can't
end up spending more than you would for transit if you don't know what you
are doing.
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filing chapter 11 myself.
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% in chicago.
I avoid the chicago and virginia peers as much as possible.
To get it off their network, yes UU doesn't have to carry it very far.
As for where it actually goes, thats their peers' problem. :)
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the system) going through the US backbones I'd be very
surprised.
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millions,
not pissing off a few nerds and disrupting eBay's profit margin for a
week. As much as we like to think we are important, I'd hardly put them in
the same class.
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the
victem from sending complaints, since they assume that either everything
is spoofed, or nothing will be done since it will never be traced back to
the actual originating machine.
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to the closest
server with via regular IP, based on which server the request hits. Of
course then there is no failover, but thats life. DNS is also more
scalable for doing anycast with customers. Which method to use is up to
you. :)
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the extra 40% of the attack and have the
immediate cues and traceability provided by spotting obvious bogons coming
in. Or use a Juniper, and do both. :)
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at the customers' port, as a receiver of multicast there
are no issues, but as a sender I havn't seen anyone come up with a
satisfactory way to charge for it.
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Hrm looks like I beat Sean Donelan...
http://www.caiso.com/awe/systemstatus.html
http://www.caiso.com/outlook.html
Is it time for a rolling blackout again?
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job maintaining
their own IRR entries, but I'm certain they peer with people who don't
have a current db. Probably not, since the vast majority of their current
peers don't meet their current peering requirements. :)
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On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 10:20:01PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Supposidly Level 3 requires IRR filtering on their peers, but do they
actually try to enforce this? I know they do an excellent job maintaining
their own IRR entries, but I'm certain they peer with people who don't
have
/23s unless you are a customer, and for the most part they are right.
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a betting pool on chpt11
dates count as operational? :)
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of their degraded performance and
unwillingness to upgrade, but a de-localpref'ing is probably a good idea.
:)
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of the surest ways to lose customers to
someone who doesn't.
I'd rather have a noncongested gige public peer than a ds3 private peer
any day.
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someone could write this kind of system to
run on the RE, is beyond me. I blame generations of dumbed down network
engineers wielding perl as their only tool. :)
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. :)
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should be easy and painless. I don't know if I call periodic ftp
painless but its certainly a start.
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with many interfaces.
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they would actually follow through with this though, all
it takes is one incident where they cause financial harm to someone with
an mp3 they misidentify and their highground is gone. Then again, I can't
imagine congress being so massively stupid either, so I suppose anything
is possible.
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limited subset of the internet (but hey it doesn't cost you
anything).
Your economic problems are your own, if you were smart you would learn how
to solve them within the rules of the game.
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. :)
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a bugfix code rev is still beyond me. :)
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configuration is slow and a pain, and with
some of them charging you per-vlan what it would cost for a copper
crossconnect, it's no wonder most people don't use them.
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will fix them, or at least
shut them down. Either way, an improvement for the internet. :)
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-lists.
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be at least a slightly better way of recovering quickly
once the problem has passed, without mucking things up every 15 minutes
in the process.
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as
an appropriate retort?
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lifting, or hire your own
$10/hr rack and stack monkeys.
At any rate, this has no place on nanog.
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But if you're going to be one of the one big word or lots of dashes
people, I (unfortunately) can't stop you. Some very good examples of a
logical layout you could model from are UU/GX, and Verio. My award for
most annoying layout goes to CW.
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from, or even if they have any clue how to hack anything. I
highly doubt they'll be attaching riaa.com to it either.
I suppose if you want symbolism, you can host -l riaa.com and wack their
wcom webserver and other stuff at att, but I'd harly call that
productive.
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something to do if you
even knew the provider that was planning on giving them service for such
activities.
Until then, it's all a bunch of speculation, and my money is still on
idle threats and hype.
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).
But to be fair, when a NOC or Customer Service person writes an RFO, it
usually comes out sounding very very bad, regardless of the actual
complexity of the situation. I'm certain all the ATT customers hope that
was the case here. :)
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someone DOES die (and not necessarily old age :P).
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