Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 29, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote: On March 29, 2014 at 08:28 o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote: So if a spammer or junk mailer could, say, trick you into accepting mail in those schemes then they get free advertising, no postage anyhow. Sure, but how

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread hammani . b
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.   Original Message   From: John Levine Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition IF the overriding problem is due to an inability to identify and

Can I borrow some MTA address traces?

2014-03-30 Thread John R. Levine
As noted about a zillion messages ago, one of the concerns about IPv6 mail is whether DNSBLs will be workable, with one of the questions being whether the lookups will blow away DNS caches. As far as I can tell, there is basically no research on DNS cache behavior other than a few very old

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Barry Shein
On March 30, 2014 at 04:47 jo...@iecc.com (John Levine) wrote: When people talked of virtual currency over the years, often arguing that it's too hard a problem, how many described bitcoin with its cryptographic mining etc? None, but it shouldn't be hard to look at the way bitcoin

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Barry Shein
On March 29, 2014 at 23:26 o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote: On Mar 29, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote: On March 29, 2014 at 08:28 o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote: So if a spammer or junk mailer could, say, trick you into accepting mail in those

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:05:39 -0700, Matthew Petach said: system, which does 100,000,000 transactions/day. Facebook's presentation talks about doing billions *per second*, which if I Fortunately for Facebook, they don't have to worry about double-spending problems, and you don't have to worry

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition Date: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:06:11AM -0400 Quoting Patrick W. Gilmore (patr...@ianai.net): Composed on a virtual keyboard, please forgive typos. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:15, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: Quoting

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Robert Drake
On 3/30/2014 12:11 AM, Barry Shein wrote: I don't know what WKBI means and google turns up nothing. I'll guess Well Known Bad Idea? Since I said that I found the idea described above uninteresting I wonder what is a WKBI from 1997? The idea I rejected? Also, I remember ideas being shot down

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:40 PM, John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: The numbers you list in your argument against a micropayment system being able to function are a fraction of the number of transactions Facebook deals with in updating newsfeeds for the billion+ users on their system.[0]

Re: e-postage still doesn't work, why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread John R. Levine
Contrary to the commonly held belief that this is fundamentally impossible, we propose several solutions that do achieve a reasonable level of double spending prevention Yes, that's Bitcoin's claim to fame. Perhaps the number of zeroes doesn't make a difference; but solving the double

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mar 30, 2014, at 16:40 , Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: Subject: Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition Date: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:06:11AM -0400 Quoting Patrick W. Gilmore (patr...@ianai.net): On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:15, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org

Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

2014-03-30 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 3/30/2014 11:17 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Mar 30, 2014, at 16:40 , Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: Subject: Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition Date: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:06:11AM -0400 Quoting Patrick W. Gilmore (patr...@ianai.net): On Mar 29,