Re: reclaiming arin IP allocations?

2015-04-15 Thread Jon Lewis
You can't get their IP space revoked just because you got a stupid response from a confused/uneducated/overworked abuse handler. If you could, Yahoo and Hotmail would have been shut down ages ago. :) On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 goe...@anime.net wrote: i reported abuse to them that was originating

Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Rod Beck
Hi, As you all know, transit costs in the wholesale market today a few percent of what it did in 2000. I assume that most of that decline is due to a modified version of Moore's Law (I don't believe optics costs decline 50% every 18 months) and the advent of maverick players like Cogent that

Re: reclaiming arin IP allocations?

2015-04-15 Thread Rob Seastrom
Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com writes: goe...@anime.net writes: Note ARIN has attempted to validate the data for this POC, but has received no response from the POC since 2013-11-06 So if the owner does not care to respond to ARIN, what now? POC validation has an extraordinarily low

Re: reclaiming arin IP allocations?

2015-04-15 Thread Rob Seastrom
goe...@anime.net writes: Note ARIN has attempted to validate the data for this POC, but has received no response from the POC since 2013-11-06 So if the owner does not care to respond to ARIN, what now? POC validation has an extraordinarily low success rate (under 50% if memory serves).

Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS XR Software BVI Routed Packet Denial of Service Vulnerability

2015-04-15 Thread Cisco Systems Product Security Incident Response Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cisco IOS XR Software BVI Routed Packet Denial of Service Vulnerability Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20150415-iosxr Revision 1.0 For Public Release 2015 April 15 16:00 UTC (GMT) Summary === A vulnerability in the packet-processing code of Cisco IOS

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Max Tulyev
Hi Roderick, transit cost is lowering close to peering cost, so it is doubghtful economy on small channels. If you don't live in Amsterdam/Frankfurt/London - add the DWDM cost from you to one of major IX. That's the magic. In large scale peering is still efficient. It is efficient on local

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Mike Hammett
It also depends on traffic makeup. Huge amounts of eyeball traffic go to (well, come from) NetFlix (a third) and Google, FaceBook, Hulu, Amazon, etc. (another third). It's comparable price to peer off those few huge sources of traffic and buy better transit than you would have than to just buy

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Mike Hammett
(Reply to thread, not necessarily myself.) If you can pull a third of your traffic off at the cost of a cross connect and another third at the cost of an IX port, now you can spend a buck or two a meg on what's left. Yes, I understand the cost of a cross connect or IX port is the $/megabit

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Max Tulyev
Not actually Facebook net, but Akamai CDN. Not a Google (peer), but GCC node ;) It is varying from location to location. For example here in Ukraine we (still) have 1st place for traffic amount from Vkontakte (mostly music streams), second from EX.ua (movie store), but almost none NetFlix, Hulu

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Very true. I left it as I did given that I expect a similar profile from others in North America... on NANOG. Basically, wherever your region's streaming video or application updates come from. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Scott Whyte
On 4/15/15 07:28, Rod Beck wrote: Hi, As you all know, transit costs in the wholesale market today a few percent of what it did in 2000. I assume that most of that decline is due to a modified version of Moore's Law (I don't believe optics costs decline 50% every 18 months) and the advent of

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Transit cost is down but IX cost remains the same. Therefore IX is longer cost effective for a small ISP. As an (non US) example, here in Copenhagen, Denmark we have two internet exchanges DIX and Netnod. We also have many major transit providers, including Hurricane Electric and Cogent. Netnod

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Grzegorz Janoszka
On 2015-04-15 19:50, Max Tulyev wrote: transit cost is lowering close to peering cost, so it is doubghtful economy on small channels. If you don't live in Amsterdam/Frankfurt/London - add the DWDM cost from you to one of major IX. That's the magic. In large scale peering is still efficient. It

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Mike Hammett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y43Fy4oU2XE There are reasons to peer other than cost reduction. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Baldur Norddahl baldur.nordd...@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Sent:

RE: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Siegel, David
Most cost models select a capacity figure that represents typical high-watermark utilization before the next cash outlay is triggered. By using your actual utilization, you might be penalizing your cost if you have low utilization and that low utilization is expected to be a temporary

Re: Peering and Network Cost

2015-04-15 Thread Tore Anderson
* Baldur Norddahl baldur.nordd...@gmail.com Transit cost is down but IX cost remains the same. Therefore IX is longer cost effective for a small ISP. As an (non US) example, here in Copenhagen, Denmark we have two internet exchanges DIX and Netnod. We also have many major transit providers,