Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 01:21:21PM +, Mel Beckman wrote: > Rodney, > > You make a good point. But I wonder how often spammers are so > obvious, and I wonder if his "leveraging" falls amiss of CAN-SPAM's > specific prohibition: > > (I) harvesting electronic mail addresses of the users of a

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Mel Beckman
Ge, On the contrary, the discussion has been limited, focused, and amazingly civil for NANOG :) I find it valuable. -mel On Jun 14, 2017, at 5:33 AM, Ge Dupin > wrote: It looks like there are more spams coming from these discussions than from the

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Rodney Joffe
> On Jun 13, 2017, at 10:28 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > But as I said, harvesting emails is not illegal under can spam. And the > requirement to not send you UCE to harvested emails is pointless, because how > do you prove that someone did that? > Because he said so?

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Mel Beckman
Rodney, You make a good point. But I wonder how often spammers are so obvious, and I wonder if his "leveraging" falls amiss of CAN-SPAM's specific prohibition: (I) harvesting electronic mail addresses of the users of a website, proprietary service, or other online public forum operated by

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Rodney Joffe
I guess that explains why so many newcomers are confused about what spam is. > On Jun 14, 2017, at 5:33 AM, Ge Dupin wrote: > > It looks like there are more spams coming from these discussions than from > the original Scams/Spams.. > Ge > >>> Le 14 juin 2017 à 14:26, Rodney

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread John Levine
In article <63cd2031-701d-4567-b88a-2986e8b3f...@beckman.org> you write: >But as I said, harvesting emails is not illegal under can spam. This might be a good time to review 15 USC 7704(b)(1), which is titled "Address harvesting and dictionary attacks". >And the requirement to not send you UCE

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 02:02:47PM -, John Levine wrote: > In article <63cd2031-701d-4567-b88a-2986e8b3f...@beckman.org> you write: > >But as I said, harvesting emails is not illegal under can spam. > > This might be a good time to review 15 USC 7704(b)(1), which is titled > "Address

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread bzs
On June 13, 2017 at 22:16 niels=na...@bakker.net (Niels Bakker) wrote: > * m...@beckman.org (Mel Beckman) [Tue 13 Jun 2017, 21:26 CEST]: > >And your proposed solution is? > > Simple. Stop buying from spammers. Although a perfectly reasonable suggestion the problem is that the cost of

RE: Templating/automating configuration

2017-06-14 Thread Graham Johnston
Job, Would you be able to provide any further insight into your Don’t #5 – “Don’t agree to change management. Managers are rarely engineers and should not be making technical decisions. (nor should sales)“. Thanks, Graham From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017

Re: Templating/automating configuration

2017-06-14 Thread 'Job Snijders'
Hi Graham, The talk was giving in context of motivating people to start with network automation and help them go from 'no automation' to a step further 'some automation'. On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 07:50:05PM +, Graham Johnston wrote: > Would you be able to provide any further insight into your

Re: Templating/automating configuration

2017-06-14 Thread Nick Hilliard
Graham Johnston wrote: > Would you be able to provide any further insight into your Don’t #5 – > “Don’t agree to change management. Managers are rarely engineers and > should not be making technical decisions. (nor should sales)“. What do you think the purpose of change control / management is?

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Dave Temkin
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, Dave Temkin wrote: > > This is highly inaccurate. The PC and Board have done everything in our >> power to keep sponsorship out of the program. Yes, Beer & Gear looks like >> a >> NASCAR race, but that

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Dave Temkin
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > It seems that more than just a few of us were spammed by Glenn Stern > > (gst...@calient.net), an employee of Calient following NANOG 70. > > ... > > Hopefully those of you who have traditional community attitudes will > >

Re: Templating/automating configuration

2017-06-14 Thread Job Snijders
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 09:35:59PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Graham Johnston wrote: > > Would you be able to provide any further insight into your Don’t #5 – > > “Don’t agree to change management. Managers are rarely engineers and > > should not be making technical decisions. (nor should

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, Dave Temkin wrote: This is highly inaccurate. The PC and Board have done everything in our power to keep sponsorship out of the program. Yes, Beer & Gear looks like a NASCAR race, but that helps fund not only the program, but the numerous other outreach programs that NANOG

Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees

2017-06-14 Thread Dan Hollis
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, b...@theworld.com wrote: Merely deciding not to patronize them may not be sufficient and that's why we make that sort of thing just outright illegal rather than hope market forces will suffice. Most spam is sent from compromised machines anyway, so there are already