Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Oct 7, 2019, at 20:16 , b...@theworld.com wrote: > > > Well if you all really want your heads to explode I was invited to > give a talk a few years ago in Singapore at the local HackerSpace. > > It called for something creative and different, not really an IETF > sort of crowd. > > So

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Masataka Ohta
William Herrin wrote: I think TCPng/UDPng with 32/48 bit port numbers combined with NAT/A+P, which is obviously fully operational with existing IPv4 backbone, is better. Not a fan of port numbers. Separation between address and port is vague. If we're going to replace TCP and UDP,

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Oct 7, 2019, at 20:00 , Michel Py wrote: > >> Owen DeLong wrote : >> Well… I don’t run into this very often any more, but I guess if you have a >> poorly run DNS environment, it might be more of an issue. > > About half of my devices, including all the VOIP phones, do not have DNS. I

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Oct 7, 2019, at 23:59 , Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > William Herrin wrote: > >>> I think TCPng/UDPng with 32/48 bit port numbers combined with NAT/A+P, >>> which is obviously fully operational with existing IPv4 backbone, is >>> better. > >> Not a fan of port numbers. > > Separation

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Masataka Ohta
Owen DeLong wrote: Separation between address and port is vague. Explain that to ICMP packets. Why do you think ICMP any different? Just as usual IP packets, inner IP packets contained in ICMPv4 error packets contain port numbers just after IP headers. Moreover, unlike stupid ICMPv6,

Re: "Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing"

2019-10-08 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
See RFC 1149 & 2549 ;-) -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:29, Keith Medcalf wrote: > >  >> On Monday, 7 October, 2019 08:55, Rich Kulawiec wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct

Re: Automated Abuse Reports

2019-10-08 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 05:28:08PM -0700, Matt Corallo wrote: > Is it time to have ARIN add a ???abuse contact available only after > captcha??? option? No. Captchas are a worst practice and should never be used. ---rsk

Re: dns cache beyond ttl - viasat / exede

2019-10-08 Thread Tony Finch
William Herrin wrote: > > You may be looking at a web browser "feature" called "DNS pinning." This is > used to defeat the "DNS rebinding" attack on javascript that would allow a > web site to instruct a browser to scan the interior behind its user's > firewall by having an attacker rotate the IP

Re: dns cache beyond ttl - viasat / exede

2019-10-08 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 4:22 AM Tony Finch wrote: > William Herrin wrote: > > Depending on the implementation, DNS pinned browsers may not recognize a > > change to your IP address until the browser is stopped and restarted. > > I thought DNS pinning was only for the lifetime of the web page, so

Re: Update to BCP-38?

2019-10-08 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 01:35:16PM +0100, Mike Meredith via NANOG wrote: > You've ignored step 1 - identifying critical information that needs > protecting. It makes sense to protect information that needs protecting and > don't lose sleep over information that doesn't need protecting. Not many of

RE: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Michel Py
> Owen DeLong wrote : > I’m not sure how giving them DNS names makes them less resilient to DNS > failures. How do you resolve the IP address of the PBX ? I hard-code (in the master config). The PBX does not have a DNS name. I want my support staff to know its IP on the top of their head. DNS

Re: Update to BCP-38?

2019-10-08 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 6:51 AM Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 01:35:16PM +0100, Mike Meredith via NANOG wrote: > > You've ignored step 1 - identifying critical information that needs > > protecting. It makes sense to protect information that needs protecting and > > don't lose

Re: dns cache beyond ttl - viasat / exede

2019-10-08 Thread Brielle
On 10/7/2019 3:23 PM, William Herrin wrote: You don't happen to have some documented examples of this do you? I could use examples of stuff that broke and was hard to diagnose and fix due to unexpected proxying behavior for an argument I'm having elsewhere. I'll see what I can dig up from

RE: Update to BCP-38?

2019-10-08 Thread Keith Medcalf
>Not everyone attacking your systems is going to have the skills or >knowledge to get in though - simple tricks (like hiding what web server >you use) can prevent casual attacks from script kiddies and others who >aren't committed to targeting you, freeing your security teams to focus >on the

RE: Update to BCP-38?

2019-10-08 Thread Mark Collins
Not everyone attacking your systems is going to have the skills or knowledge to get in though - simple tricks (like hiding what web server you use) can prevent casual attacks from script kiddies and others who aren't committed to targeting you, freeing your security teams to focus on the

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:59 PM Masataka Ohta < mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > William Herrin wrote: > > If we're going to replace TCP and UDP, initiate > > the link with a name (e.g. dns name), > > The point of TCP use IP address for identification is hosts > can confirm IP address is

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Masataka Ohta
Nicholas Warren wrote: It's not 1990 any more, a TB of RAM now costs a few thousand dollars Maybe. and is dropping rapidly (similar for fancy router RAM), Definitely not. It's not 2010 any more. Masataka Ohta

Re: Update to BCP-38?

2019-10-08 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 11:53:33 -0600, "Keith Medcalf" said: > So while the cost of doing the thing may be near-zero, it is not zero. And in fact, there's more than just the costs of doing it. There's also the costs of having done it. Obfuscating your OpenSSH versions is a *really* good way to

RE: Update to BCP-38?

2019-10-08 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Tuesday, 8 October, 2019 11:03, William Herrin wrote: >Limiting the server banner so it doesn't tell an adversary the exact OS- >specific binary you're using has a near-zero cost and forces an adversary >to expend more effort searching for a vulnerability. It doesn't magically >protect you

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread bzs
On October 7, 2019 at 23:13 o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote: > > > > On Oct 7, 2019, at 20:16 , b...@theworld.com wrote: > > > > > > Well if you all really want your heads to explode I was invited to > > give a talk a few years ago in Singapore at the local HackerSpace. > > > >

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Nicholas Warren
Sweet deals, would you kindly share your vendor? It's not 1990 any more, a TB of RAM now costs a few thousand dollars and is dropping rapidly (similar for fancy router RAM), we have processor chips with 64 cores available practically off the shelf for under $10K (32-core literally off the shelf,

Re: Chicago Equinix IX LAN oddity

2019-10-08 Thread Erik Sundberg
Equinix renumber the IP Block from a /24 to a /23 and everyone was suppose to be off the old block I think around a year ago. I am sure some providers did not migrate everything off that IP Block. Everyone that was a member at that time was given a new IP Address on the /23 subnet, I believe

Chicago Equinix IX LAN oddity

2019-10-08 Thread JASON BOTHE via NANOG
Hi all I realize this might not be the right list but I have a request to peer on the Chicago Equinix IX to a 206.223.119 IP but we and many others are on the 208.115.137 network. While I await a response from the peering partner, I’d curious to know if this is an error, perhaps there was a

Contacts at Three.co.uk

2019-10-08 Thread John Von Essen
I know this is a North America list, but anyone here connected with Three or have a contact there? I am investigating an issue related to the default adult filter settings that are becoming more common (maybe required now?) in the UK on mobile data networks. I work at a large search engine,

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Masataka Ohta
William Herrin wrote: The point of TCP use IP address for identification is hosts can confirm IP address is true by 3 way handshaking. Yeah, but that touches one of the central flaws of the design of IP, v4 and v6. We are talking about design of TCP, not IP. No part of identifying and

RE: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread bzs
On October 8, 2019 at 03:00 michel...@tsisemi.com (Michel Py) wrote: > > Owen DeLong wrote : > > Well… I don’t run into this very often any more, but I guess if you have a > > poorly run DNS environment, it might be more of an issue. > > About half of my devices, including all the VOIP

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 19:12:30 -, Nicholas Warren said: > Sweet deals, would you kindly share your vendor? Well, I just type "128G DIMM" into google, and the very first hit tells me that I can get a 128G DIMM for $1,398, that and 8 DiMM slots gets me to 1T just over $11K. If I have 16 DIMM

RE: Update to BCP-38?

2019-10-08 Thread Keith Medcalf
You would still be better served by forgetting about hiding the webserver vendor name and using that money to buy an IDS/IPS that works properly by detecting the actual exploit attempt rather than looking for "a spike of errors in the log" in order to block the originating address, especially

Re: Contacts at Three.co.uk

2019-10-08 Thread Cynthia Revström
Maybe ask on UKNOF? https://www.uknof.org.uk/ - Cynthia On Tue, 8 Oct 2019, 21:58 John Von Essen, wrote: > I know this is a North America list, but anyone here connected with Three > or have a contact there? > > I am investigating an issue related to the default adult filter settings > that

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread bzs
On October 8, 2019 at 12:04 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM wrote: > > My main point is, as I said, Bits is Bits, whether they're human > readable (for some value of "human") like URLs or long hex strings > which perhaps are less human

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread bzs
On October 8, 2019 at 19:12 nwar...@barryelectric.com (Nicholas Warren) wrote: > Sweet deals, would you kindly share your vendor? > > > It's not 1990 any more, a TB of RAM now costs a few thousand dollars > and is dropping rapidly (similar for fancy router RAM), we have > processor chips

Re: Chicago Equinix IX LAN oddity

2019-10-08 Thread JASON BOTHE via NANOG
Got it, thanks for that. I’ll have to give the big E a call and see how to sort this one out. J~ > On Oct 8, 2019, at 13:55, James Cornman wrote: > >  > There was a subnet expansion/migration there earlier this year (maybe late > last year?) > > We have an old and new address on our

Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-08 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM wrote: > My main point is, as I said, Bits is Bits, whether they're human > readable (for some value of "human") like URLs or long hex strings > which perhaps are less human readable. > Bits aren't just bits. Bits with useful properties (such as aggregability

Re: Update to BCP-38?

2019-10-08 Thread Mike Meredith via NANOG
As an Evil Firewall Administrator™, I have an interest in this area ... On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:05:29 -0700, William Herrin may have written: > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:28 PM Keith Medcalf wrote > > Anyone who says something like that is not a "security geek". They are > > a "security poser",