Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote: So, during a Power shut-off because of wild*fire* risk, operators are supposed to be able to re-charge batteries and supply generators with fuel (I suppose diesel, regular gas being even worse) in the affected areas ? Did I understand things

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Mel Beckman
Radu, The fire risk is from electrical transmission lines, not from end users of electrical power. The underlying problem is that the State’s rules for line separation were ill-considered, making it possible for high-enough winds to cause “line slapping” and the resultant arcing that ignite

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, at 08:02, Mel Beckman wrote: > The fire risk is from electrical transmission lines, not from end users > of electrical power. The underlying problem is that the State’s rules > for line separation were ill-considered, making it possible for > high-enough winds to cause

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-10 Thread Tony Finch
b...@theworld.com wrote: > > Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly > off-beat proposal (use basically URLs rather than IP addresses in IP > packet src/dest) as: [snip] This reminds me of the named data networking research project https://named-data.net/project/faq/

Re: AWS issues with 172.0.0.0/12

2019-10-10 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Yes On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 20:46 Javier J wrote: > I'm just curious, was the ip in the RFC 1918 172.16.0.0/16 range? > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1918 > > > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 6:01 PM Mehmet Akcin wrote: > >> To close the loop here (in case if someone has this type of issue in the

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Mel Beckman
Electrical arcing happens around the country. The difference is that California, through years of unwise restrictions on vegetation control, has millions of acres of dry fuel near these powerlines. In the early 1990s, a series of restrictions were placed on logging in the West to protect the

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Randy Bush
> Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started > Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk > areas. not exactly the diablo winds are way north in the state. but much of the power for the big metros is bought from the hydros in the northwest and

Re: AWS issues with 172.0.0.0/12

2019-10-10 Thread Javier J
Very strange ATT would put end users on an RFC 1918 block unless they were doing NAT to the end user. If they were doing NAT, I would expect CGNAT in the 100.something or other range. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 11:07 AM Mehmet Akcin wrote: > Yes > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 20:46 Javier J wrote: >

Re: AWS issues with 172.0.0.0/12

2019-10-10 Thread Neil Hanlon
RCN here in the greater Boston area does CGNAT inside 10.0.0.0/8. This doesn't surprise me. On Oct 10, 2019, 11:27, at 11:27, Javier J wrote: >Very strange ATT would put end users on an RFC 1918 block unless they >were >doing NAT to the end user. >If they were doing NAT, I would expect CGNAT in

Re: AWS issues with 172.0.0.0/12

2019-10-10 Thread Javier J
IPv6 all the things. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 12:11 PM Neil Hanlon wrote: > RCN here in the greater Boston area does CGNAT inside 10.0.0.0/8. This > doesn't surprise me. > On Oct 10, 2019, at 11:27, Javier J wrote: >> >> Very strange ATT would put end users on an RFC 1918 block unless they >>

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/9/19 2:15 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Sean Donelan > wrote: Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk areas. Wasn't

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Ca By
I just hope the next fire is not sparked by a diesel generator that is running because commercial power is off. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 3:48 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > > > AT statement: > > Like all PG customers, we are also affected by this power shutdown. > Overall our network continues to

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Javier J
Reminds me of Enron days. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:06 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 10/10/19 10:40 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started > >> Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk > >> areas. > > not

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Sean Donelan
AT statement: Like all PG customers, we are also affected by this power shutdown. Overall our network continues to perform well and is operating at more than 97% of normal. We are aware that service for some customers may be affected by this event and are working as quickly as possible to

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Mel Beckman
Sean, A diesel generator sparking a fire is extremely unlikely. A diesel generator by code must have a clear, nonflammable, area around it, and a spark arrestor on the exhaust to protect against burning particles in the exhaust. Diesel generators are not even a listed cause according to the

Re: "Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing"

2019-10-10 Thread Dennis Lundström
Feel that this is more down the line of RFC 7511, no? ;-) —Dennis On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 07:25 J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote: > See RFC 1149 & 2549 > > ;-) > > -- > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says > a lot about anticipated traffic

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Sean Donelan
Comcast statement: Hi. Parts of our network that connect to your Xfinity service may be in areas where the commercial power is off leading to a disruption. Once power is fully restored to those parts of the network, and it is safe to do so, we will restore service ASAP.

RE: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-10 Thread Kevin Menzel
> Bits is bits. A fixed length bit field and a variable length bit field are incredibly different beasts at the hardware level. Knowing exactly after how many bits you can make a routing or switching decision is ... pretty darned useful. Kevin Menzel Infrastructure Analyst Sheridan College

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-10 Thread bzs
On October 9, 2019 at 17:12 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:30 PM John R. Levine wrote: > > > Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly > > > off-beat proposal (use basically URLs rather than IP addresses in IP > > > packet src/dest)

Spoofer Report for NANOG for Sep 2019

2019-10-10 Thread CAIDA Spoofer Project
In response to feedback from operational security communities, CAIDA's source address validation measurement project (https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which we received packets with a spoofed source address.

Re: Contact at DALnet?

2019-10-10 Thread Mattias Ahnberg
On 2019-10-09 10:59, Christopher Smalling wrote: If someone from DALnet or someone with a contact at DALnet, please contact me off-list. Hey Christopher, thanks for the heads up. I've poked our networking team to look into it. DALnet is just an IRC network so we're staffed by volunteers and

Re: Update to BCP-38?

2019-10-10 Thread Mark Collins
Any additional effort put in by an attacker will increase the chance of an attack being detected before it is successful. COnsider the following two scenerios. Scenerio 1 is a webserver that makes no effort to obfuscate: 1. Attacker does HEAD request on /, which is a legitmate request, and

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Mel Beckman
Sean, You might be thinking of the Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, also known as the Enron Debacle. Indeed PG’s hands were tied via regulation while Enron, “The Smartest Guys in the Room”, cheated the market, electrical customers, and investors out of billions of dollars. The

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/10/19 10:40 AM, Randy Bush wrote: Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk areas. not exactly the diablo winds are way north in the state. but much of the power for the big metros is bought

Telemetry System Ideas

2019-10-10 Thread Chris Misa
I am a researcher working on developing a new on-the-fly telemetry system that potentially takes a flow chart as input to describe a particular detection task (rather than just features or information elements as in IPFIX). For an example of what I mean by "flow chart" see the figure here:

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

2019-10-10 Thread Javier J
I have an alternative view. the more generators are running, the more trucks semt to refuel the tanks, the more moving parts, the more likely an accident is prone to happen somewhere. It's thr same reason you turn your vehicles engine off when you fill up at the gas station. Diesel doesn't

Graphical databases ?

2019-10-10 Thread Craig
Has anyone used the graphical data base software: https://neo4j.com/ I looked at this software several years ago, but it will still relatively new. We are exploring using this to create dependencies of our network infrastructure hardware, customer information, etc. etc. here is an example: