Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Saku Ytti
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 14:02, Mark Tinka wrote: > But that only accounts for about 15% of our overall traffic. The rest > comes from peering. I'd really like to hear more datapoints from different eyeballs on this, like 60% local caches, of remaining traffic, 70% peered so transit = 0.4*0.3 =

Re: Peering/Transit eBGP sessions -pet or cattle?

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/Feb/20 14:37, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > The “cattle” case: > > Or would you instead rely on small-ish non-redundant HW at your > internet edge rather than trying to enhance MTBF with big chassis full > of redundant HW? > > Is this cause eventually the MTBF figure for a

Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 25/Jan/20 02:49, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > > The solution is to stay clear of tier 1 networks. Find a good local > tier 3. Whatever you are going to do, they will do better. So all our transit comes from the top 7 "global" carriers. Yes, including Cogent :-). But that only accounts for

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 24/Jan/20 16:55, Aaron Gould wrote: > Thanks Jared, When I reminisce with my boss he reminds me that this telco/ISP > here initially started with a 56kbps internet uplink , lol In Uganda, the Internet first showed up in 1995. Those days, 2 ISP's had 64Kbps each, via satellite, for all

Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Feb/20 16:51, Saku Ytti wrote: > I'd really like to hear more datapoints from different eyeballs on this, like > > 60% local caches, of remaining traffic, 70% peered > > so transit = 0.4*0.3 = 12% > > I think this might be reasonable, but perhaps it's even less transit > for eyeballs

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 14/Feb/20 20:24, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > U, it is 2020, not 2010. 100M, 200M, 400M or 1G is increasingly common > for home broadband. I’ve got 400M at home, could get 1G fiber for less than > $100 if I wanted it, and I’m in your average, run-of-the-mill Midwest city. Gaming does

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 26/Jan/20 06:29, Aaron Gould wrote: > > I love the symmetric ~10 gig speed test to put it into perspective for > how far we’ve come….also the 3 ms ping result.  Ain’t it great > You laugh, but it's true :-). We stopped entertaining this kind of nonesense from customers that don't understand

Re: Comcast NOC - Bad IPv6 Routing

2020-02-16 Thread Robert Webb
IPv4 looks like I would expect traversing Charlottesville, VA then to Ashburn, VA. This is what I am used to seeing. Tracing route to 73.214.xxx.xxx over a maximum of 30 hops: 1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 7 ms11 ms 9 ms 96.120.80.37 3 7 ms 9 ms 7 ms

Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 12:45 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 25/Jan/20 02:49, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > > > > > > > The solution is to stay clear of tier 1 networks. Find a good local > > tier 3. Whatever you are going to do, they will do better. > > So all our transit comes from the top 7

Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Kaiser, Erich
We are seeing about 79% currently that is with one of our new Akamai PNIs in CHI and we peer at most major IXs across the US. Top 5 peers Netflix, Google, Akamai, Amazon and EdgeCast. (In order) Erich Kaiser The Fusion Network er...@gotfusion.net On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 10:11 AM Mike Hammett

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 24/Jan/20 12:43, Simon Leinen wrote: > > At 64kbps (ISDN/Antarctica) you could do it in 69 days, maybe even > finishing before the next - undoubtedly bigger - release comes out. In 1996, in Entebbe, it took me a week to download and copy mIRC. Connection was a 14.4Kbps dial-up service

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 26/Jan/20 06:59, Karl Auer wrote: > > You tell that to young folk these days and they don't believe you... No use. They couldn't describe a cassette if it came with the manual; nor a Nokia 5110 phone for that matter:-). Mark.

RE: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread adamv0025
Reading all the arguments one could generalize that choosing default/partial routes (instead of full feed) one is basically outsourcing all the control, convergence speed, security, etc.. to upstream providers. adam From: NANOG On Behalf Of Amir Herzberg Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020

Re: Time and Timing Servers

2020-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
It sounds like my only option within that facility is BITS. I've asked Metaswitch what their requirements are for the TDM clock. I will shortly. I could put something up at a friendly customer and pipe it back into the CO. My current thought is maybe there's a box that can take an

Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
"you are not going to be able to peer 85% of the traffic" It depends. If you are an eyeball ISP and you join one of the major IXes, you'll be near 85%. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From:

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 24/Jan/20 01:35, Jared Mauch wrote: > Apple did this with the original iPhone. Turned out even in their > ecosystem they didn't get it right. The full restore images have > always been there and diffs didn't reappear until you could "OTA" the > device (WiFi) Still the case today. Diffs are

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 24/Jan/20 00:32, b...@theworld.com wrote: > > If I may...which also reminds me of a project in Africa which used > some sort of wireless link (probably packet-radio) on top of buses. Where, in Africa? Mark.

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Jan/20 02:22, Paul Nash wrote: > One of our early customers was a group of students who wanted to start a > small dial ISP nearby. We gave them service, bootstrapping what became our > biggest competitor, Internet Solutions (now part of DiData, who never did ask > for their router

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 26/Jan/20 06:58, Joly MacFie wrote: > IIRC that 64k was in fact 56k with 8k for overhead.  > > I had one, and it would kick in a second channel if you pushed it, for > a whopping 112k. Metered, came out to about $500/mo. My first ISDN experience was in Swaziland, 2003. There weren't many

Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Feb/20 20:47, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > This is for volumen however. Almost everything breaks if we loose the > transits. It is not like you are 80% ok. And this is an important point, as even if many of your on-net caches would origin via a peering session with its owner, some origins

Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Kaiser, Erich
I just looked at the stats again we are actually at about 82%. Erich Kaiser The Fusion Network er...@gotfusion.net On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 11:18 AM Kaiser, Erich wrote: > We are seeing about 79% currently that is with one of our new Akamai PNIs > in CHI and we peer at most major IXs

Why are IPsec SAs unidirectional

2020-02-16 Thread Bart Hermans
Recently I did a dive into IPsec and the related RFCs describing the techniques used to setup a site-to-site tunnel. The RFCs I've been reading are quite clear. However, there's one thing I can't seem to put my finger on. From what I know is that the phase 1 ISAKMP Security Association (SA) is

Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread bzs
Ok it's Sunday... The first time I got on the internet was around 1977. A friend dropped by the lab I worked in at Harvard and wondered if I had an MIT ITS account and I said no wasn't even sure what it was other than a time sharing system at MIT. So we had a modem and dumb terminal and

Re: Why are IPsec SAs unidirectional

2020-02-16 Thread Crist Clark
I think there are a number of reasons. For example, anti-replay would be harder to implement on a bi- directional SA. Encryption and authentication algorithms may be asymmetric, so defining a bi-directional SA for those would be more complicated. For multicast, bi-directional also doesn’t make

Re: Why are IPsec SAs unidirectional

2020-02-16 Thread Brandon Martin
On 2/15/20 1:17 PM, Bart Hermans wrote: Does someone know why these IPsec SAs are unidirectional? My take on it: * IP, on which IPSec is directly built, is not a bidirectional protocol. It is unidirection and fire-and-forget. There's no assumption made that the source address specified in

Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Feb/20 18:08, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > From the perspective of someone just starting out being dual homed, > this will be very different. You are not going to get 7 transits and > you are not going to be able to peer 85% of the traffic. That is why I > advocate that it is better to buy

Re: Network configurations survey

2020-02-16 Thread Usama Naseer
Hi. Yes, I will be sharing the results (anonymously, of course). I have been working on a research publication and the survey results will be a part of it. On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 4:27 AM Etienne-Victor Depasquale wrote: > Will you share the results? It would be good to know them. > > On Fri,

ATT Microcell in Austin, TX

2020-02-16 Thread Chris Boyd
Since people on here like to talk about the generatorn run time on cell towers, I thought y’all might like to see an ATT microcell in downtown Austin, TX. No apparent generator or battery on it. https://imgur.com/a/RY9Tg7h —Chris

Re: Dual Homed BGP

2020-02-16 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Hello My numbers for the last 7 days: NL-IX 2107 22% STHIX 412 4% Cache (netflix+akamai) 3070 32% Telia 1118 12% Cogent 258 3% HE 2490 26% = 9455 100% The numbers being average (not peak or 95 percentile) inbound. Outbound is irrelevant for us. I suppose that if you consider Hurricane Electric

Re: ATT Microcell in Austin, TX

2020-02-16 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:57:24 -0600, Chris Boyd said: > Since people on here like to talk about the generatorn run time on cell > towers, I thought y’all might like to see an ATT microcell in downtown > Austin, > TX. No apparent generator or battery on it. > https://imgur.com/a/RY9Tg7h

Re: Why are IPsec SAs unidirectional

2020-02-16 Thread Amir Herzberg
Bart asked, > Does someone know why these IPsec SAs are unidirectional? Usually the > RFC describes some reasoning behind certain design decisions. However, I > can't seem to find a justification other than "It's by design". On the > Internet however, I read that the two SA requirement is chosen

Re: ATT Microcell in Austin, TX

2020-02-16 Thread Shane Ronan
This is a small cell. They are very common across all of the carriers. It is NOT intended to provide primary coverage for the area. It IS intended to provide additional capacity to the immediate area. Think of the large cell towers as providing blanket coverage, while small cells provide hot

Re: Network configurations survey

2020-02-16 Thread Etienne-Victor Depasquale
Will you share the results? It would be good to know them. On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 7:07 PM Usama Naseer wrote: > Hi NANOG, > > We have often read that CDNs/CSPs optimize their networking stack > configurations (e.g., TCP, HTTP etc.) to meet their performance/service > requirements. > Please

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 23/Jan/20 21:52, Paul Nash wrote: > A bit of perspective on bandwidth and feeling old. The first non-academic > connection from Africa (Usenet and Email, pre-Internet) ran at about 9600 bps > over a Telebit Trailblazer in my living room. Where in Africa? It's a small place you know

Re: Peering/Transit eBGP sessions -pet or cattle?

2020-02-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/Feb/20 17:06, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > Also transits are way more important than peers. Loosing a transit > will cause massive route changes around the globe and it will take a > few minutes to stabilize. Loosing a peer usually just means the peer > switches to the transit route, that