Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/29/21 02:23, Eric Kuhnke wrote: I am not saying it is an impossible problem to solve, but any system intended for that sort of purpose would have to be designed for circumvention, and not a consumer/COTS adaptation of an off the shelf starlink terminal. Behind the walls of an

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
By definition and orbital mechanics, low earth orbit things don't "park" anywhere. There's an equal number of starlink satellites over Mongolia right now as there are over the same latitude locations in the US and Canada. https://satellitemap.space/ This also becomes intuitive once one plays

RE: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Keith Medcalf
Net to mention, of course, that the Low Orbit constellation would need to be "parked" over China (or where-ever you want to access it). I am quite sure that "shooting down" such low orbit stationary vehicles would not be too difficult. And if they are owned by an adversary who has no

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The US State Department is already a large customer for dedicated transponder capacity, in C-band hemispheric and Ku beams in some weird places in the world. As a randomly chosen example if you take a look at the roof of the UK embassy in Kabul, there's a nice 4 meter size Andrew/Commscope

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/29/21 07:21, Eric Kuhnke wrote: The US State Department is already a large customer for dedicated transponder capacity, in C-band hemispheric and Ku beams in some weird places in the world. As a randomly chosen example if you take a look at the roof of the UK embassy in Kabul,

Re: 10 years from now...

2021-03-28 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
No need for all that fancy RF tools. Moreover, detecting >10Ghz transmission is not such an easy task. The beam is most likely narrow enough to be difficult to detect. But, (for example) it's enough to visit from foreign IPs some local website, to have cookie set: SATELLITE_USER=xyz Then when

Re: 10 years from now...

2021-03-28 Thread blakangel
This is a fascinating discussion. Also keep in mind that starlink satellites need many earth stations to downlink customer packets and provide internet transit. There are over 50 satellite earth stations in the US already. Here is a great google map of the current ground stations based on

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I would also concur that the likelihood of Starlink (or a Oneweb, or Kuiper) terminal being used successfully to bypass the GFW or similar serious Internet censorship, in an authoritarian environment, is probably low. This is because: a) It has to transmit in known bands. b) It has to be located

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread scott
On 3/26/2021 9:42 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: LEO internet providers will be coming online which might make a difference in the corners of the world where it's hard to get access, but will it allow internet access to parachute in behind the Great Firewall? How do the Chinas of the