Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

(I'm going to hate myself in the morning, but) On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 10:22 AM Masataka Ohta < mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > William Herrin wrote: > > > https://engineering.fb.com/2021/10/05/networking-traffic/outage-details/ > > our DNS servers disable those BGP advertisements

Re: FYI: NANOG and ICANN

I see this as a way to allow NANOG to help channel some of ICANN’s incredible excess of funding towards more useful pursuits than those ICANN has endowed so far. Owen > On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Edward McNair wrote: > > This partnership will have no ill effect on NANOG conferences. The

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

Sabri Berisha wrote: Let's for a moment contemplate about the sheer magnitude of their operation. With almost 3 billion users worldwide, can you imagine the amount of DNS queries they have to process? Their scale is unprecedented. That's what I predicted about 20 years ago, which is why I

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

On 2021-10-08, at 07:25, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > Whenever there is an aviation incident, the keyboard warriors at pprune.org > are always the first to start speculating about root causes So we need an NTSB, BFU, ... for the Internet and widely used Internet applications. (And the other

Spoofer Report for NANOG for Sep 2021

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Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

> On Oct 8, 2021, at 11:22 AM, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > - On Oct 8, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Mark Tinka mark@tinka.africa wrote: > > Hi, > >> So we are reviewing our flow data, and it's very clear, on our network, that >> during the period Facebook were experiencing their global outage, Netflix

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Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

> > In facebook case, it was combined with poor understanding > on short/long expiration period to cause the disaster. > Still, no. The CAUSE of the outage was all of the FB datacenters being completely disconnected from their backbone, and thus the internet. DNS breaking was a direct RESULT of

What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

So we are reviewing our flow data, and it's very clear, on our network, that during the period Facebook were experiencing their global outage, Netflix traffic went up 3X for us. The psychological assessment of this, for me, is most interesting; especially because like carbohydrates, social

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

Yeah.. I mean people couldn't get stuck in the DoomScroll, so they chose to do something else. I'm sure plenty of people did something besides Netflix. On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 10:35 AM Steven Bakker via NANOG wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On Fri, 2021-10-08 at 16:18 +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > > Could

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

On 10/8/21 17:07, cosmo wrote: A psychologist would probably describe this as "self soothing behavior" An addiction specialist would identify it as illicit drug substitution : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7370931/ Which they probably will, but it won't be labeled as

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

On 10/8/21 16:34, Steven Bakker via NANOG wrote: My inner cynic is interpreting this data a bit differently. Instead of going out for a walk or just engage in the gentle art of doing nothing, the social media users need something to keep their minds distracted from the here and now.

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

> > Look, I like all this traffic, and it brings in revenue for my business. > But I'm starting to wonder whether it's all worth it, if we end up > creating a generation with significantly less brain function, for the > first time in our evolution, less than 50, 60, 70 years from now. > I feel

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

William Herrin wrote: If they are not using standard expire mechanism expecting internal data still accessible even after external data has expired, there is difference. I give up. To accept the reality of disastrous facebook failure? I know. Although you have no knowledge whatsoever

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

Hi Mark, On Fri, 2021-10-08 at 16:18 +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: Could Netflix, perhaps, play a part in mitigating the increasing impact of social media addiction in teenagers, whose young brains aren't developed enough to have sufficient executive control, impulse control and good judgement? My

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

On 10/8/21 17:12, Tom Beecher wrote: Yeah.. I mean people couldn't get stuck in the DoomScroll, so they chose to do something else. I'm sure plenty of people did something besides Netflix. For sure. We just happened to measure Netflix on our side. I'm certain other operators measuring

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

> > Which they probably will, but it won't be labeled as dangerous or > leading to immediate mental harm. > There is already lots of published research on social media addiction that does call it out just that strongly. There is a reason why that company has started going to great lengths in

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

On 10/8/21 17:26, Tom Beecher wrote: There is already lots of published research on social media addiction that does call it out just that strongly. Oh no, I didn't mean that the research to link social media addiction to long-term mental harm does not exist. It's just that such research

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

- On Oct 8, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Mark Tinka mark@tinka.africa wrote: Hi, > So we are reviewing our flow data, and it's very clear, on our network, that > during the period Facebook were experiencing their global outage, Netflix > traffic went up 3X for us. Who says they were ... ahem ...

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

On 10/8/21 18:22, Sabri Berisha wrote: Who says they were ... ahem ... watching? :) I considered that... and decided that scrolling the Netflix library doesn't create that much data :-). Of course, who pays 100% attention anymore these days. You've watched an episode if it was playing.

Re: What Eyeballs Did During The Facebook Nap

A psychologist would probably describe this as "self soothing behavior" An addiction specialist would identify it as illicit drug substitution : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7370931/ On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 7:37 AM Steven Bakker via NANOG wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On Fri,

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 9:04 PM Masataka Ohta wrote: > William Herrin wrote: > > Facebook withdrawing the BGP > > routes to its anycasted public DNS servers as they expired made no > > difference. > > If they are not using standard expire mechanism expecting > internal data still accessible even

Re: FYI: NANOG and ICANN

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 2:39 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > I see this as a way to allow NANOG to help channel some of ICANN’s > incredible excess of funding > towards more useful pursuits than those ICANN has endowed so far. >

Re: FYI: NANOG and ICANN

> On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:39 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 2:39 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG > wrote: > I see this as a way to allow NANOG to help channel some of ICANN’s incredible > excess of funding > towards more useful pursuits than those