Re: Strange practices?

2010-06-07 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 03:50:25PM -0500, Dale Cornman wrote: Has anyone ever heard of a multi-homed enterprise not running bgp with either of 2 providers, but instead, each provider statically routes a block to their common customer and also each originates this block in BGP? Yes; tends to

Re: NOC Best Practices

2010-07-17 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 09:34:53PM +0300, Kasper Adel wrote: Thanks for all the people that replied off list, asking me to send them responses i will get. [snip] Which is useful but i am looking for more stuff from the best people that run the best NOCs in the world. So i'm throwing this

Re: Standard for BGP community lists

2010-07-20 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 09:34:40AM -0600, Danny McPherson wrote: On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2010-07-19 23:45 -0500), Brad Fleming wrote: Hey, : for local rtbh : for local + remote rtbh I didn't have much reason for selecting other

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?

2010-09-13 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 01:40:10PM +, Julien Gormotte wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:28:09 -0400, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com wrote: Its unrealistic to believe payment for priority access isn't going to happen this model is used for many other outlets today I'm not sure why so

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Joe Provo
...and I used to live in parts of Virginia where rednecks took out signs with shotguns and no doubt now [if not run out by gentrification] take out fiber. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 01:59:03PM -0700, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: [snip] Long story short, you can't account for stupid. ...and

Re: AS path question.

2010-11-10 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 03:39:31PM -0500, Greg Whynott wrote: [snip] i have my maxas-limit set to 10 based on an article I was reading. perhaps I should up that a bit. That article was deeply mistaken. 50 was reasonable for older IOS with bugs back in ... 2001-2003? I think. under the

Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast's Actions

2010-11-29 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 04:49:48PM -0600, Aaron Wendel wrote: A customer pays them for access to the Internet. If that access demands more infrastructure then Comcast needs to build out the infrastructure and pass on the costs to the customers demanding it. s/Comcast/Level3/ I think it sets

Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast's Actions

2010-11-29 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 08:03:27PM -0800, Leo Bicknell wrote: [snip] If the FCC wanted to do something useful they would look at the combined ratio of all /customers/ of an ISP, and then require their peering policy to allow for around 2x of that. [snip] ...or maybe not get involved in peering

Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast's Actions

2010-12-03 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 05:49:53PM -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: fair game for reverse billing. ?If it does, it's going to completely eliminate transit as a commercial offering; instead, we'll all be stuck

IAB Evolution of the IP Model Document

2010-12-03 Thread Joe Provo
Recent IETF announce message (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg08209.html) indicates comments should get in by the 19th. IMO a decent update your expectations document with a refreshingly healthy nod to netowkr realities. I'm sure they'd love more operator input,

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-20 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:16:30AM -0800, Leo Bicknell wrote: [snip] So from about 1996 to 2000 we had competition. They then figured out how to rig the system so there is no effective competition, and so far the government has been A-Ok with that. You also miss the part about the capital

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-20 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:46:10AM -0800, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 02:31:09PM -0500, Joe Provo wrote: Everywhere that had enough paying-humans-per fiber-mile, so primarily the Northeast corridor (Metro DC through Metro Boston). Parts of the SF Bay

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-20 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:46:39PM -0800, JC Dill wrote: [snip] Your lmgtfy link's search finds 5 year old press releases about discussions to PLAN overbuilding in various locations. What I want are the Names of Specific Locations (in the SF Bay Area) where such overbuilds are currently in

Re: Routing Suggestions

2011-01-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:13:53PM -0500, Lars Carter wrote: [snip] There are two companies, Company A and Company B, that are planning to continuously exchange a large amount of sensitive data and are located in a mutual datacenter. They decide to order a cross connect and peer privately for

Re: quietly....

2011-01-31 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:31:43PM -0600, Jeremy wrote: Has there been any discussion about allocating the Class E blocks? If this doesn't count as future use what does? (Yes, I realize this doesn't *fix* the problem here) https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/240-e Last real message? 31 Oct 2007

Re: Weekend Gedankenexperiment - The Kill Switch

2011-02-03 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:43:09PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: An armed FBI special agent shows up at your facility and tells your ranking manager to shut down the Internet. legal paperwork or pound sand. [very small hurdle, pathetic how many LEOs seek to avoid it] The rest of it waits for

Re: Nortel, in bankruptcy, sells IPv4 address block for $7.5 million

2011-03-24 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 01:27:29PM +, Tony Finch wrote: Jay Nakamura zeusda...@gmail.com wrote: 666,624 is kind of odd number, isn't it? That comes out to a /13,/15,/19,/21 and a /22. From the court documents I gather that it is a collection of miscellaneous blocks that Nortel

Re: Nortel, in bankruptcy, sells IPv4 address block for $7.5 million

2011-03-24 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 08:13:46PM -0500, Benson Schliesser wrote: [snip] It's obvious that ARIN, as well as other whois database providers, should pay attention to the proceedings. But under what premise might ARIN act as a party to this lawsuit? The proper question might be that if neither

Re: [SHAME] Spam Rats

2013-01-10 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 01:10:48PM +1000, Julian DeMarchi wrote: On 01/10/2013 01:06 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Who uses it? Or did you see your IP listed in one of those multiple dnsbl query sites and contacted them on general principles even though you didn't see any actual bounced

Re: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25?

2009-06-18 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 03:36:44PM -0400, Zhiyun Qian wrote: It has been long heard that many ISPs block outgoing port 25 for the purpose of reducing spam originated from their network. Yes, it is standard practice for non-server accounts and most dynamic-only accounts; only allow

[NANOG-announce] NANOG46 survey open until July 6

2009-06-24 Thread Joe Provo
. If you have colleagues which attended (in person or via the webcast) but may not be paying attention to this mailing list, please do give them the survey URL so we can get their comments too. Cheers! Joe Provo NANOG SC chair -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: Quick question about inbound route-selection

2009-07-16 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:45:24AM -0400, Drew Weaver wrote: Howdy, Keep in mind I am basing this 'idea' off of fixed orbit's data which can sometimes be a bit out of date, etc. Understatement. [snip] I realize that we can use communities, and prepends to control the inbound flow, I am

[NANOG-announce] NANOG Election Time line 2009

2009-07-27 Thread Joe Provo
-10-22 New PC appointed Thu 2009-10-29 MLC nominations close Tue 2009-11-03 New MLC appointed Cheers! Joe Provo on behalf of the NANOG Steering Committee -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE ___ NANOG-announce mailing list

Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-07-28 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:30:47AM -0400, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Charles Mills wrote: [snip] Do the best of my knowledge, no. The definition of 'Tier 1' is something of a moving target based on who you ask, but the most commonly stated criteria I've seen over the

Re: cisco.com

2009-08-04 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 09:34:46AM -0400, R. Benjamin Kessler wrote: Hey Gang - I'm unable to get to cisco.com from multiple places on the 'net (including downforeveryoneorjustme.com); any ideas on the cause and ETR? Instead of the hoot-n-holler line, maybe check bgp?

Re: sat-3 cut?

2009-08-10 Thread Joe Provo
[Followups set to futures as organization discussion.] On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:13:55AM -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote: Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well. Randy Bush wrote: yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:20:28AM -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Drew Weaverdrew.wea...@thenap.com wrote: Anyone know why SAAVIS would be allowing PEER1 (AS 13768) to advertise routes for whatever IP addresses

Re: Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

2009-08-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:30:38PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: [snip] While a web 2.0 app would be very nice, it's really not that hard to do now. You do need the IRRToolSet or something similar. the IRRToolSet has languished for a long time and was getting harder and harder to keep running,

Re: Anyone else seeing (invalid or corrupt AS path) 3 bytes E01100 ?

2009-08-17 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 03:37:07PM -0600, randal k wrote: Yep, we started seeing this right around 12:20pm MST. We saw it from a customer's rapidly-flapping BGP peer. We told them to configure bgp maxas-limit, but apparently CRS1s don't have that command. Anybody have a handy route-map that

Re: Anyone else seeing (invalid or corrupt AS path) 3 bytes E01100 ?

2009-08-20 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:37:22AM +0200, Ivan Pepelnjak wrote: Anybody have a handy route-map that will deny anything with a as-path longer than say 15-20? ;-) http://wiki.nil.com/Filter_excessively_prepended_BGP_paths It will still be a while before we see unbroken 4byte AS behavior

Re: OSPF vs IS-IS vs PrivateAS eBGP

2009-08-20 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:58:01PM -0500, Clue Store wrote: [snip] would like to go with , but I have had some in the industry say this is not as good as running an IGP with the customer. Name and shame. TTBOMK, no-one who thought walking that road was a Good Idea did so for long after

Re: 83.222.0.0/19 Unroutable on Verizon

2009-09-03 Thread Joe Provo
[comment: subject is irksome - Unroutable? That is meaningless] On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 05:20:23PM -0400, Peter Beckman wrote: I can't reach 83.222.0.0/19 from Verizon, but I can via Cox Communications Business Fiber as well as Level3. Dies at a peering point it seems: HOST: home

[NANOG-announce] Health reminder...

2009-10-16 Thread Joe Provo
home and avoid contact with others and do attend remotely via the streams. Keep an eye on the agenda for links! http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/agenda.php Your help in making the NANOG (and ARIN) meetings enjoyable for all attendees is appreciated. Cheers! Joe Provo for the Steering

[NANOG-announce] Elections - polls close within the hour!

2009-10-21 Thread Joe Provo
Hey folks, Just a reminder that the NANOG Election polls will be closing at 09.15 EDT. If you are listed here http://www.nanog.org/governance/elections/2009elections/2009_voters.php you can vote, no matter where in the world you are. Ballot is here: https://nanog.merit.edu/election/ MLC

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-25 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 04:19:23PM -0500, Lee Riemer wrote: Isn't blocking any port against the idea of Net Neutrality? Which demonstrates just how relevant to reality such things are. -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-26 Thread Joe Provo
[tangent of interst for the archives] On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 02:07:42PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote: [snip] If I'm assigned 24.1.2.3 by Comcast, and Comcast filters my ingress to prevent me from emitting other addresses, you claim that's fine because it's BCP38. There's a problem: I can

[NANOG-announce] Communications Committee (formerly Mailing List Committee) Nominations close today!

2009-10-29 Thread Joe Provo
/2009mlc_candidates.php) before the Steering Committee meets on 3 November. Cheers! Joe Provo -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE ___ NANOG-announce mailing list nanog-annou...@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Upstream BGP community support

2009-10-31 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 09:37:03PM +0100, Andy B. wrote: Hi, Quick question: Would you buy transit from someone who does not support BGP communities? No. -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: Finding asymmetric path

2009-11-28 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 09:41:09AM -0600, Joe Greco wrote: [attributions lost] I'm reasonable certain a customer of ours who is using one of our netblocks is using a different reverse path to reach us. How might I figure out who is allowing them to source traffic from IPs that belong

Re: software wanted

2011-12-20 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 04:37:35PM +0200, Gregory Edigarov wrote: [snip] can anybody recomend a piece of software, that could graph a live network scanning it via snmp. requirements are: 1. must produce a text output suitable for postproduction. graphviz is an ideal, xml - acceptable.

Re: 10G switchrecommendaton

2012-01-29 Thread Joe Provo
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 08:02:28PM -0200, Alvaro Pereira wrote: And note that the Juniper EX2500 does not run JUNOS, it is just an OEM box from someone else... Blade Networks, now IBM. Alvaro On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:23, Tim Vollebregt t...@interworx.nl wrote: 2,5MB shared

Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked

2012-02-02 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 07:53:53AM +, George Bonser wrote: Back in the old days, people cared about policing bad behavior. And I believe that is all that is needed today. We simply, as a community, need to decide that we aren't going to tolerate such behavior. It really is that

Re: Question regarding anycasting in CDN setup

2012-02-08 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:28:07AM +0530, Anurag Bhatia wrote: [snip] I have never did such setup, but I assume it works as you say. I wonder how it finds a US based system from IP quickly (since it's DNS server)? Drop ip geolocation or internet geolocation into Your Favorite Search Engine.

Re: AS Connectivity Lookup

2012-03-07 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 09:29:29AM -0800, Radke, Justin wrote: How can I easily view the current peering relationship of a particular AS? Assume the AS you are researching does not have a looking glass and you are not going to do lookups from the top 10 providers route servers to get some

Re: BCP38 Deployment

2012-03-29 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:45:12AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: Leo, On Mar 28, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: #1) Money. #2) Laziness. While Patrick is spot on, there is a third issue which is related to money and laziness, but also has some unique aspects. BCP38 makes the

Re: BCP38 Deployment

2012-03-29 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 07:31:26PM -0400, Jon Lewis wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Joe Provo wrote: uRFP was a trivial, 0-impact feature on the cisco VXR-based CMTS platform. Assert a simple statement in the default config (along with 'ips classless' and all your other standard config elements

Re: CDNs should pay eyeball networks, too.

2012-05-01 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 02:43:50PM -0400, William Herrin wrote: On 5/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: On May 1, 2012, at 13:26 , William Herrin wrote: If I'm willing to go to your location, buy the card for your router and pay you for the staff hours to set it up, there

Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting

2012-05-31 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:26:29PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 31/05/2012 11:23, Daniel Suchy wrote: In my experience, there're not so many service providers doing that. Plenty of providers do it. IIWY, I would universally rewrite origin at your ingress points to be the same;

Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting

2012-06-01 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 10:19:16AM +0200, Daniel Suchy wrote: On 05/31/2012 07:06 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2012-05-31 08:46 -0700), David Barak wrote: On what precisely do you base the idea that a mandatory transitive attribute of a BGP prefix is a purely advisory flag which has no

Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting

2012-06-01 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 08:03:50PM +0200, Daniel Suchy wrote: On 06/01/2012 07:38 PM, Joe Provo wrote: You clearly did not read the previous posts involving actual historical evidence [and apparently ongoing] of remote networks attempting action at a distance knowing that many overlook

Re: HE.net BGP origin attribute rewriting

2012-06-02 Thread Joe Provo
Last post on this topic for me. You seem to wish to argue against the lessons of history and the reality of running a network on the global Internet. On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 09:27:36AM +0200, Daniel Suchy wrote: On 06/02/2012 02:53 AM, Joe Provo wrote: Cost and performance were merely two

Re: Google Public DNS contact

2012-06-04 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 06:08:47PM -0400, alex-lists-na...@yuriev.com wrote: Hello, If anyone has a contact in the Google Group that deals with Google's Public DNS servers ( i.e. the 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 creatures ) could that person kindly drop me an email off list? I believe there might be

Re: seeking older .com / .net zone files

2012-06-06 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 01:13:45PM -0400, Manish Karir wrote: All, We are working on a project with the University of Michigan related with studying the evolution of .com/.net zones Does anyone have copies of .com / .net zone files around the beginning of 2011? Any help would be greatly

Re: Dear Linkedin,

2012-06-08 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 03:17:25PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 8, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Alec Muffett wrote: PS: when security is hard, people simply don't do it. Blaming the victim of poor engineering that leads people to not be able to perform best practices is not the answer.

Re: My view of the arin db boarked?

2012-06-09 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 04:27:29PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: err, last 3 times I asked this I was shown the error of my ways, but here goes... 209.250.228.241 - seems to not have any records in ARIN's WHOIS database, everythign seems to roll up to the /8 record :( I see this routed

ITU funsies

2012-06-09 Thread Joe Provo
While we will expect to see the Patrick S. Ryan Jacob Glick paper linked on http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog55/abstracts.php?pt=MTk0OCZuYW5vZzU1nm=nanog55 at some point, folks wanting a head start on digesting it can hit http://ssrn.com/abstract=2077095 Interestingly enough,

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 01:01:35PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: [snip] If you're that concerned about calling 911 for a heat stroke, why don't you maintain a POTS line? Choices are great but carry responsibility and result in consequences. Some folks don't like to hear that, or just can't be

Re: ARIN Routing Registry vs RADB vs X

2008-09-25 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:57:20PM -0500, Craig Holland wrote: They gave no particular reason. I figured I'd ask ya'all before I started to push back and use phrases like 'silly', 'ridiculous', and 'pointless' in my argument to them. Allow me: It is silly to attempt to use only a single

Re: The DDOS problem security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Joe Provo
[snip] http://www.gweep.net/~crimson/Don't_Feed_The_Trolls.mp3 -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: philadelphia public internet exchange?

2008-10-27 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:00:15AM -0700, Christopher Rogers wrote: What's the situation with the philadelphia internet exchange? Their website, www.phlix.net does not resolve. Google is sparse. Anyone have any information regarding that IX? Is it gone? If it's gone, what are some viable

Re: Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 03:28:04PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:17:45 EDT, Paul Stewart said: I can think of some but looking to develop a concrete list of appealing reasons etc. such as: -control over routing between networks -security aspect (being able to

Re: diverse multisite advertising?

2008-11-04 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 01:07:13PM -0800, Gregori Parker wrote: I've been reading up on BGP and asking around, but still havent found a hard yes/no on this...hopefully someone here can provide clarification. If I have a single ASN and an IP allocation from ARIN, can I advertise one half of

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-01 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:14:20PM +0100, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: [snip] On 1 dec 2008, at 15.08, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: [snip] I don't think any IXP can become a significant player on the Internet today by only attracting participants from the country in question. The Internet is

Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-19 Thread Joe Provo
[cf http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg12684.html and related past threads] On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:53:48AM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: [snip] More likely that someone would filter based on the longest assignment made in a particular /8 (e.g. in 202/7, 199/8 we might expect to see /

Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-22 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 02:34:39PM +1300, Nathan Ward wrote: [snip] Let me rephrase; Are there people who are filtering /24s received from eBGP peers who do not have a default route? of course. -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

[NANOG-announce] New Year NANOG 45 Reminders

2009-01-08 Thread Joe Provo
community. As always, we encourage you to send any questions or concerns via email, or by voice at Merit 1.734.527.5700. Looking forward to seeing you there! Joe Provo SC Chair -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 04:51:36PM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: [snip] In my experience prepending someone else's AS to a prefix has only been useful operationally only as a short-term, emergency measure (e.g. when trying to avoid a black-hole between two remote ASes, neither of whom shows

Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP

2009-02-06 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:29:28PM -0400, Charles Regan wrote: I want to advertise my /22 to two different ISP on different POP. I can't use BGP as ISP1 doesn't support it. Get a new ISP and fire whoever signed that contract before getting the technical details correct. -- RSUC

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 02:06:09PM +0100, Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? To what end? The

Re: IPv6 Confusion

2009-02-17 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:28:11AM -0800, Tony Hain wrote: [snip] starts with IP and runs alongside IPv4 (like we used to do with decnet, sna, appletalk...), you will be comforted in all the similarities. You will This is highly amusing, as for myself and many folks the experience of these

Re: do I need to maintain with RADB?

2009-02-20 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 01:15:40PM -0800, Darren Bolding wrote: Is there a good source to explain the whole RADB system, and tools/processes people use to maintain routing policies/filters based on it? I'd like to both review and make sure my current understanding is accurate, and have a doc

Re: Network SLA

2009-03-07 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:26:45PM +0100, Chris Meidinger wrote: Saqib, On 07.03.2009, at 12:12, Saqib Ilyas wrote: I must thank everyone who has answered my queries. Just a couple more short questions. For instance, if one is using MRTG, and wants to check if we can meet a 1 Mbps

Re: Pro-actively publishing IRR data

2009-03-16 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:14:08PM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote: [snip] Are there any potential dangers of publishing our information before we use it that I may be overlooking? In case you are worried about folks who filter, recall that the IRR uniqueeness is based upon the Prefix/length,

Re: iBGP Scaling

2009-03-29 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 05:13:54PM +, tt tt wrote: Hi List, We are looking to move our non infrastructure routes into iBGP to help with our IGP scalability (OSPF). We already run full BGP tables on our core where we connect to multiple upstream and downstream customers. Most of our

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:45:08AM -0400, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Daniel Senie d...@senie.com writes: We observe this same kind of behavior with firewalls in the path watching for dead sessions they can clean up. Appears they send RSTs to both end points when they decide a session has

Re: IPv4 Anycast?

2009-04-22 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:13:38PM -0500, Jack Bates wrote: [snip] The original question provides a good statistic, I think. Only 8 prefixes that were announced by more than 3 origin AS. And the overall message is that only the (prefix holder|originating ASn[s]) can tell you if it is intended

Re: Ubiquity-Mzima routing loop

2008-07-18 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 03:49:25PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote: [snip] I'm aware what side it's on. However, I didn't have contact information for an actual human on either side of the link, so I posted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] There's a lot of rolodex resources out there that can get you

Re: the Intercage mess

2008-09-24 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 01:37:43PM +, *Hobbit* wrote: [snip] If this happened to some of the other major sources of crap that I'm thinking of, it would make the freaking NATIONAL NEWS. Where's the BACKBONE to go after the real high-volume sources, rather than continuing to kick sand in

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-25 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 01:09:26PM -0500, Randy Bush wrote: I _do_ create action plans and _do_ quarterback each step and _do_ slap down any attempt to deviate. imagine a network engineering culture where the concept of 'attempt to deviate' just does not occur. Whimsical deviations don't

Re: ip-precedence for management traffic

2009-12-30 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:19:32PM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote: [snip] Apparently I forgot the rant tag, but really, if you have sane CoPP policies, you are mostly protected. If the vendor does not provide this capability, please STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP. Another fine example of broken

Re: 1/8 and 27/8 allocated to APNIC

2010-01-21 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 05:13:39PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: [snip] Some of that water is dirtier than the rest. I wouldn't want to be the person who gets 1.2.3.0/24 Yeah, I encountered some lovely wireless hotspots that use visit http://1.1.1.1/ to log out. Seem some vendors encourage the

Re: History of 4.2.2.2. What's the story?

2010-02-14 Thread Joe Provo
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 02:16:30AM -0700, Sean Reifschneider wrote: I've wondered about this for years, but only this evening did I start searching for details. And I really couldn't find any. Can anyone point me at distant history about how 4.2.2.2 came to be, in my estimation, the most

Re: 10GBase-t switch

2010-03-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 09:30:38PM +, Paolo Lucente wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:20:41PM +0100, Arnold Nipper wrote: On 11.03.2010 16:29 Dylan Ebner wrote Do the Arista switches support netflow? From a management perspective netflow can be vital. This is something we have been

Re: DNS TXT field usage ?

2010-03-28 Thread Joe Provo
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 02:04:39PM +0200, jul wrote: Hello, While watching some parked domains, I recently observed one which has a TXT field containing some crypto value, something like a ssh key/RSA 512 or 1024 output (only the crypto part 'cvxvcvcxvcxv=' ). If the TXT data is a large

Re: BGP Update Report

2010-03-28 Thread Joe Provo
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 01:20:04AM -0400, Anton Kapela wrote: So, this week, I actually read the update report. Noting the stats below (..a flap/update once per minute? please, fix your CPE router), I have but one humble request: Could the settlement-free members of the DFZ please consider

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-19 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:58:43PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: [snip] be attractive to at least some of them. Come up with some kind of logo for the program IPv6 READY!. Make it a bandwagon thing so that vendors who aren't part of the program look behind the times. Wheels, they get

Re: US internet providers hijacking users' search queries

2011-08-05 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 05:04:51PM -0700, Bino Gopal wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20768-us-internet-providers-hijacking-users-search-queries.html It is more than slightly misleading to say hijacking search queries; paxfire is evil as it hijacks dns and breaks NXDOMAIN and

Re: US internet providers hijacking users' search queries

2011-08-06 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 10:41:10AM -0400, Scott Helms wrote: Correct, I don't believe that any of the providers noted are actually [snip] Belief has nothing to do with it. The article is vaguely referring to 'search' and incorrectly jumps to https. Disappointing that nanog readers can't read

Re: US internet providers hijacking users' search queries

2011-08-07 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 01:25:18PM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote: On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Provo nanog-p...@rsuc.gweep.netwrote: On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 10:41:10AM -0400, Scott Helms wrote: Correct, I don't believe that any of the providers noted are actually [snip

Re: Another internet depeering?

2011-09-09 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 02:41:40PM +0200, Grzegorz Janoszka wrote: Telia (AS1299) stopped announce some prefixes to us, ie 83.8.0.0/13. Is it another internet depeering? Do you also see it? There are more routing policies on the Internet, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. I

Re: Single AS multiple Dirverse Providers

2013-06-10 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:36:44AM -0500, Dennis Burgess wrote: I have a network that has three peers, two are at one site and the third is geographically diverse, and there is NO connection between the two separate networks. So, you have two islands? Technically, that would be separate ASNs

Re: Single AS multiple Dirverse Providers

2013-06-10 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 01:18:04PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:54 , Joe Provo nanog-p...@rsuc.gweep.net wrote: On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:36:44AM -0500, Dennis Burgess wrote: I have a network that has three peers, two are at one site and the third

Re: Single AS multiple Dirverse Providers

2013-06-10 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 03:22:41PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Jun 10, 2013, at 14:14 , Joe Provo nanog-p...@rsuc.gweep.net wrote: On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 01:18:04PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:54 , Joe Provo nanog-p...@rsuc.gweep.net wrote: On Mon, Jun

Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue

2013-06-20 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:26:01AM +0200, Niels Bakker wrote: [snip] Also, if you don't have data, best to keep your opinion to yourself, because you might well be wrong. The deuce you say! Replacing uninformed conjecture and conspiracy theories with actual data? Next thing you know there

Re: Permitting spoofed traffic [Was: Re: ddos attack blog]

2014-02-14 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:42:55AM -0800, Paul Ferguson wrote: [snip] Taken to the logical extreme, the right thing to do is to deny any spoofed traffic from abusing these services altogether. NTP is not the only one; there is also SNMP, DNS, etc. ...and then we're back to implement BCP38

Review How Internet Peering Improves Security [Re: Reviewers needed: How Internet Peering Improves Security]

2014-05-07 Thread Joe Provo
This has always been the case, and traffic splay and origin/sink management has been more important than cost savings since at least 2002? Maybe 2001. Definitely before 2004. On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 08:42:06PM -0700, wbn wrote: Hi fellow NANOGers - I recently spent some time with peering

Re: Low-numbered ASes being hijacked? [Re: BGP Update Report]

2014-11-30 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:53:07AM +0900, Paul S. wrote: Do these people never check what exactly they end up originating outbound due to a config change, if that's really the case? Of course not because their neighbors are allowing it to pass; so as with all hijacks, deaggregation, and other

Re: Is it safe to use 240.0.0.0/4

2015-06-17 Thread Joe Provo
No, we examined this back in 2007. See your favorite cache site for http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/240-e -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / CotSG / Usenix / NANOG

Re: intra-AS messaging for route leak prevention

2016-06-06 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 05:54:18PM +0200, Job Snijders wrote: > On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 11:41:52AM +, Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) wrote: > > I am a co-author on a route-leak detection/mitigation/prevention draft > > in the IDR WG in the IETF: > >

Re: intra-AS messaging for route leak prevention

2016-06-08 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 11:48:36AM +, Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) wrote: > Thanks for the inputs about the inter-AS messaging and route-leak prevention > techniques between neighboring ASes. Certainly helpful information and also > useful > for the draft

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