Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 28/06/2018 04:43, Randy Bush wrote: >> People - please just stop the off topic chatter. It is ludicrous that a >> thread about bgp hijacks morphed into font discussions. >> >> Either contribute to the operational issue at hand by evaluating your terms >> & conditions (or abuse policies) and

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Randy Bush
> People - please just stop the off topic chatter. It is ludicrous that a > thread about bgp hijacks morphed into font discussions. > > Either contribute to the operational issue at hand by evaluating your terms > & conditions (or abuse policies) and applying them to your operations, or > remain

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Cole Busby
hey all, while I'm in no place to make demands or requests of anyone, like many of you I have this thread on "loud". it may be beneficial to add a "-discussions" for when threads go off topic. outages implemented something similar and (for the most part) squelched the "me too" and off-topic

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Job Snijders
People - please just stop the off topic chatter. It is ludicrous that a thread about bgp hijacks morphed into font discussions. Either contribute to the operational issue at hand by evaluating your terms & conditions (or abuse policies) and applying them to your operations, or remain silent.

RE: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Scott Weeks
I suppose next you'll be telling me to get rid of my CRT when it works just fine? Black background, white text. :) scott

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: "we are not the internet police" right? ( Indeed. Aid and abet would be a more accurate description. -Dan

RE: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Keith Medcalf
018 14:54 >To: aheb...@pubnix.net; nanog@nanog.org >Subject: RE: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, >GTT, and Level3 > >Why would we need an RFC for Comic Sans? > >-Original Message- >From: NANOG On Behalf Of Alain Hebert >Sent: Wednesday, June 2

RE: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Ryan Hamel
Why would we need an RFC for Comic Sans? -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Alain Hebert Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:50 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3     I ain't friday, but: There is no RFC

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Alain Hebert
    I ain't friday, but: There is no RFC for the Sarcastica font yet?     PS:  Our little adventure in BGP who-done-it (a few weeks back) burned about 25-30h man hours estimated.  Should have been sub 5 hours if 1 guy would have cooperated instead of ignoring the issue. - Alain Hebert

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Jun/18 04:18, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Oh dear. The problem with sarcasm is that it falls flat if people don't > realize you're being sarcastic. Text-based messaging is terribly reliable at helping miss the point... It's a good things our kids of today call each other on the

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Oh dear. The problem with sarcasm is that it falls flat if people don't realize you're being sarcastic. On 27/06/18, 6:53 AM, "NANOG on behalf of Scott Weeks" wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 22:49, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Without the generous support

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-26 Thread Scott Weeks
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 22:49, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Without the generous support of Cogent, GTT, and Level3 this dumbass > lowlife IP address space thief would be largely if not entirely toast. > So what are they waiting for? Why don't their turf this jackass?

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-26 Thread Mike Hammett
t: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:18:19 AM Subject: Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3 Job, Unless of course they are not actually on an IXP listed. Bitcanal is not a member of TorIX and as far as I recall, never has been. The IP they list in PeeringDB was neve

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-26 Thread Stephen Fulton
Job, Unless of course they are not actually on an IXP listed. Bitcanal is not a member of TorIX and as far as I recall, never has been. The IP they list in PeeringDB was never assigned to them at any point and in fact was used by an AS112 instance which was run by TorIX directly on the

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-26 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 26/06/2018 17:08, Thomas King wrote: Kudos to DE-CIX for getting it right. -Hank > I am the guy who gave the presentation. We ask our customers to report > misbehavior of peers at DE-CIX IXPs (e.g. IP hijack, ASN hijacks) to > ab...@de-cix.net. We will look into reported cases and collect

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-26 Thread Thomas King
I am the guy who gave the presentation. We ask our customers to report misbehavior of peers at DE-CIX IXPs (e.g. IP hijack, ASN hijacks) to ab...@de-cix.net. We will look into reported cases and collect evidence so that we can act accordingly. So far, this process helped us to identify and fix

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-26 Thread IXP User One
Hi all, I have heard that DE-CIX expelled BitCanal from their IXPs. One of their guys also gave a presentation about how DE-CIX handles abuse cases: https://ripe75.ripe.net/archives/video/103/ I don't know how other IXPs are handling such cases. Would be interesting to know. Best regards, IUO

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-26 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 26/06/2018 07:49, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: You are mistaken.  Cogent and Level3 are signatories to MANRS: https://www.manrs.org/participants/ so this clearly can't happen and you are making this up. :-) -Hank > > > The fact that there exists a jerk like this on the Internet isn't really >

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-25 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Job Snijders wrote: >On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 22:49, Ronald F. Guilmette >wrote: >> As I always ask, retorically, in cases like this: Where are the grownups? > >You could ask the same about the IXPs that facilitate the reach and impact >of Bitcanal's BGP hijacks by allowing that

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-25 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
"we are not the internet police" right? ( On 26/06/18, 10:33 AM, "NANOG on behalf of Job Snijders" wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 22:49, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Without the generous support of Cogent, GTT, and Level3 this dumbass > lowlife IP address space thief

Re: AS3266: BitCanal hijack factory, courtesy of Cogent, GTT, and Level3

2018-06-25 Thread Job Snijders
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 22:49, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Without the generous support of Cogent, GTT, and Level3 this dumbass > lowlife IP address space thief would be largely if not entirely toast. > So what are they waiting for? Why don't their turf this jackass? Are > they waiting for an