Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-05 Thread Alex Band
On 4 Oct 2010, at 23:18, Randy Bush wrote: 1) We have not implemented support for this yet. We plan to go live with the fully hosted version first and extend it with support for non-hosted systems around Q2/Q3 2011. this is a significant slip from the 1q11 we were told in prague. care to

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-05 Thread Randy Bush
alex, i am not gonna argue with you. 96% of your users will be happy for you to do everything for them, despite the fact that the wrong holder has the keys (and, as john says, the liability). but 96% of your address space, i.e. the large holders, will want to hold their own keys and talk

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread mkarir
Hi Alex, We are trying to tackle a similar problem with the RADB. The approach we have taken is to build into the object management web portal an alerting system that provides alerts to a user when there is a mismatch between what is in the IRR and what is observed in BGP. Right next to

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread Owen DeLong
No... I'm saying that if ISPs aren't the only entities that hold their private keys, then they aren't the only entities that can sign their resources. The hosted system that we created uses Hardware Signing Modules (HSM) for generating keys and signing operations. By design it is

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread Owen DeLong
I'll go a step further and say that the resource holder should be the ONLY holder of the private key for their resources. Owen If you're saying that ISPs can only participate in an RPKI scheme if they run their own Certificate Authority, then I think that would practically ruin the

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread Alex Band
On Mon, October 4, 2010 04:38, Owen DeLong wrote: On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Do you think there is value in creating a system like this? yes. though, given issues of errors and deliberate falsifications, i am not entirely comfortable with the whois/bgp combo being

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread Randy Bush
1) We have not implemented support for this yet. We plan to go live with the fully hosted version first and extend it with support for non-hosted systems around Q2/Q3 2011. this is a significant slip from the 1q11 we were told in prague. care to explain. Randy Bush who is cc-ed may be able

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-03 Thread Randy Bush
Do you think there is value in creating a system like this? yes. though, given issues of errors and deliberate falsifications, i am not entirely comfortable with the whois/bgp combo being considered formally authoritative. but we have to do something. Are there any glaring holes that I

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Do you think there is value in creating a system like this? yes. though, given issues of errors and deliberate falsifications, i am not entirely comfortable with the whois/bgp combo being considered formally authoritative. but we have to do